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Dealing with failures

betaboybetaboy Veteran
edited June 2011 in Buddhism Basics
Namaste,

How does one deal with failures, not being able to make it to the top, being a nobody? Do we convince ourselves that these things don't matter, that Buddhism is all about nibbana and that this life is something to be endured and nothing more?

What is one to do?

BB

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  • genkakugenkaku Northampton, Mass. U.S.A. Veteran
    When Thomas Edison was asked how he felt about failing 2,000 times to make an incandescent light bulb, he replied, approximately, "I didn't fail 2,000 times. I discovered 2,000 ways that didn't work."

    Only a "somebody" could imagine s/he was a "nobody." Who is that "somebody?"
  • CloudCloud Veteran
    edited June 2011
    Why concern yourself with making it to the top when you're going to die? You can't take it with you, regardless of what the Pharaohs of Egypt thought. ;)

    Live to make life better for yourself and others, to bring peace that will last beyond the grave. Any ambition should be for the sake of others, to make the world a better place since we're only here for a little while. Do what ya can, I say.

    I mean, really, how incredibly awesome would your life have been if all the people who lived before you had been concentrating on making the world better for others? Let your brain suck on that for a while!
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    Being a "nobody"? Most of us are "nobodies". Did someone put the idea in your head that just making a decent living and raising a family (or not) was of no value? It sounds like you're allowing someone else's standards dictate how you feel. Buddhism is about not clinging to ego or self-image, anyway. Who said there's anything wrong with being a "nobody"? Who defines that as "failure"? That's a lot of baggage to be carrying around.
  • Hmm, I struggle with this. I work in education and I have been frustrated in my career. It is partially because to be honest I want to have some success, but the other part is that I truly feel I have excellent work to offer and my heart is in the right place. I have so many ideas and projects that I see as beneficial so I don't see how it helps for me or others to continue along in a lower position job for a long time.

    So it comes down to attachment and intention in my mind. There is nothing wrong with doing an excellent job. I see Buddhism as teaching me to do the best mindful work that I can regardless of the status or pay. And many times that leads to outward success. If my intention the entire time was to do my best mindful job without attaching too much to the appearance that is a fine thing. I was concerned that when I started this path I would be generic as a Buddhist but I see the great variety of interests and talents among others practicing.

    As a side note, anyone can look at an aspect of your life and declare failure. If they value cars and you do not have a good one then you will be seen badly, if they value relationships and you are working on solitude then it looks like no success.
  • edited June 2011
    betaboy- I think you may be feeling the effects of an increasingly narcissistic society. There is an unhealthy emphasis on materialism, sexuality, vanity, and celebrity. I would recommend the book- "The Narcissism Epidemic" (Living in the age of Entitlement) by Jean M. Twenge, PH.D. and W. Keith Campbell, PH.D.

    When you read some of the examples of how far off the rails some people are- you'll be laughing instead of letting it make you feel like you're missing something.

    ------------------------------------
    As I go through all kinds of feelings and experiences in my journey through life -- delight, surprise, chagrin, dismay -- I hold this question as a guiding light: "What do I really need right now to be happy?" What I come to over and over again is that only qualities as vast and deep as love, connection and kindness will really make me happy in any sort of enduring way.

    - Sharon Salzberg
  • betaboybetaboy Veteran
    Thanks for all the replies.

    What I am saying is: when I was young, I had so much talent that people took it for granted that I'd be somebody. Now that I am not, it's shocking for most people around me ... myself included. They keep wondering - as do I - how mediocre people have succeeded, whereas I am still tasting one failure after another. It just doesn't make sense.

    So it's not just the failure I am talking about - it's failure as compared with the talent I have. And that hurts a whole lot more.

    Hope people can see where I am coming from.
  • NomaDBuddhaNomaDBuddha Scalpel wielder :) Bucharest Veteran
    Namaste,

    How does one deal with failures, not being able to make it to the top, being a nobody? Do we convince ourselves that these things don't matter, that Buddhism is all about nibbana and that this life is something to be endured and nothing more?

    What is one to do?

    BB
    How you deal with failure ?? Fall seven times, get up eight times.

    Who's nobody in this equation ? Making it to the top isn't for every one. If you go by the old ways to be at the top of your domain, and those don't work, try other ways.

    That's the loser's way of coping with his failures. Yes, after you die, they won't matter ( unless you've done something of real value to the humankind). Until you die, they matter. Buddhism doesn't tolarate lazyness, or hard work with no results ( where are the right effort and the right concentration at ?)

    What is on to do ? Stop. Breathe. Think.Breathe.Walk Away.
  • betaboy- Sometimes people are just in the right place at the right time. OR they have connections. When you see some of the people who make it, they may have had the right appeal to someone who was able to promote them. It does hurt when people make comparisons. We are all individuals- what works for one will not guarantee success for another. People don't always know a person's total circumstances. People are prone to make judgments.

    Are you sad about not having the proper outlet for your talent or are you more interested in being a "somebody"?
  • I have gone through a similar self evaluation over the past three years and was angry, frustrated and depressed that what was perceived as the potential of my youth not playing out in my adult years.

    My meditative efforts have shown me several things. One much of my emotions were very much ego driven. The other was that I had focused my use of my talents in a very narrow scope. To paraphrase a Zen saying, I had focused on the finger and not the moon. Now I try to evaluate personal disappointment and failures in the light of "Is this a reasonable goal failure or is it merely my bruised ego?". I have also tried to stop narrowly planning my future and the use of my talents down narrow pathways and tried to remain open to new opportunities that are a good sue for my talents within the community and my work.

    I still struggle with this but I no longer feel like the hungry ghost of my past.
  • Bodha8Bodha8 Veteran
    WOW!! First you must recognize that your ego should not be in charge of your
    life. Then try and understand that there are no failures in life, if you're smart they should only be learning experiences.

    Namaste
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    Thanks for all the replies.

    What I am saying is: when I was young, I had so much talent that people took it for granted that I'd be somebody. Now that I am not, it's shocking for most people around me ... myself included. They keep wondering - as do I - how mediocre people have succeeded, whereas I am still tasting one failure after another. It just doesn't make sense.

    So it's not just the failure I am talking about - it's failure as compared with the talent I have. And that hurts a whole lot more.
    Hope people can see where I am coming from.
    This is kinda what I was referring to. In your youth, loved ones set you up to expect to be a superstar. So now you're disappointed. One thing I know is that people with many different interests and talents--"multipotentiality" it's been called, often have a hard time deciding which direction to go in. Some end up spinning in circles, not getting anywhere. And sometimes society doesn't value our particular talents or interests, so we can get lost. Since we don't know exactly what you're defining as "failure", we can't address that more precisely.

  • I'm not sure if you would be open to Wayne Dyer's work, but he has a movie called "The Shift" that might help you get a different perspective.

    here's a link to the site: http://www.dyermovie.com/
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    “Thoroughly unprepared, we take the step into the afternoon of life. Worse still, we take this step with the false presupposition that our truths and our ideals will serve us as hitherto. But we cannot live the afternoon of life according to the program of life’s morning, for what was great in the morning will be little at evening and what in the morning was true, at evening will have become a lie.” - Carl Gustav Jung
  • TheswingisyellowTheswingisyellow Trying to be open to existence Samsara Veteran
    We create this corpse (fantasy, feelings, concepts, expectations, I,me, mine) and lug it around acting like it is real and then we turn on ourselves when we realize this corpse doesn't comport with reality. Look this corpse in the eyes, tell me how real it is and when your done carrying it around and suffering because of it, put it down. I often pick up a corpse, and carry it around, sometimes I run with it imagineing it to be everything, then at some point I realize exactly what I am carrying and leave him by the road or put him in the ground. Sometimes that is very hard to do, to kill what we have created, but to not do so results in our own suffering, our own becoming, and death.
    All the best,
    Todd
  • YishaiYishai Veteran
    My friend is in a similar spot. He is smart, but he feels like he has fallen behind his peers. Like he is failing at life. But I think he is doing fine, but his outlook on his own life just makes it hard for him to endure especially when everyone around him is succeeding or moving on. It's like everybody is light years ahead, with no one to look back and realize they forgot somebody.

    I really don't know how to help, but it's good that you're here. It is a start. I have trouble talking to this friend because anything that comes from me as advice just reinforces his feeling of failure. All I can do is infuse him with hope for the better, even though I know deep down that he can be happy with the present. I have tried to help him by telling him that he will never be happy by using someone else as a measuring stick. He only gets defensive though.

    Such a difficult situation, and I can see your plight. Knowing Buddhism, I feel, will help you overcome this feeling of failure. You have the tools to properly examine your emotions, and having that puts you a step toward emotional relief.
  • WOW!! First you must recognize that your ego should not be in charge of your
    life. Then try and understand that there are no failures in life, if you're smart they should only be learning experiences.

    Namaste
    I agree and letting go of ego has been a huge benefit in my practice in relation to all I do in my life.

    I also remembered a saying I heard once that is apropos. "Pain in inevitable. Suffering is optional".

  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    My friend is in a similar spot. He is smart, but he feels like he has fallen behind his peers. Like he is failing at life. But I think he is doing fine, but his outlook on his own life just makes it hard for him to endure especially when everyone around him is succeeding or moving on. It's like everybody is light years ahead, with no one to look back and realize they forgot somebody.
    This is a great post. There's a lot to be said for not comparing oneself to others, but just striving to do your own best. We had a member once who said that he hasn't done anything great in life, but he raised two kids who are adults now, and they're dedicated to using their expertise to help others and move society forward, and he feels that's his greatest achievement. It was a moving post.

    If you're torturing yourself just on the basis of a mental tape someone planted in you, change the tape. On the other hand, if you do an assessment of your life and think there might be emotional/psychological obstacles, address that. In the West, it can be difficult for men (are you male?), because they have much higher expectations put on them. Small daily gestures to bring happiness to people's lives count. We can't all be Gandhi or Bill Gates.

    (Besides, have you ever noticed that some of those "successful" people are real jerks? Think about how you may be defining "success".) Best wishes.

  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    I posted this a few times now so I don't want to start spamming or nothing but you should think about the difference between self-esteem and self-compassion. With self-esteem you measure your worth by comparing yourself to others by saying your the best. Parents have been told to praise their kids for a long time now, kids sports leagues give everyone trophies and no one loses so no one feels bad. In the real world though not everyone can be the best and you don't automatically win just for being you. So when you use self-esteem to find your value it often leads to feelings of failure. If you haven't watched this vid check it out, she explains it much better than I can.

  • We can't all be Gandhi or Bill Gates.
    :eek2:
  • YishaiYishai Veteran
    Another interesting phenomena in regards to Narcissism is the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

    But I like that video you posted @person .
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    Just feel the pain of being a nobody. Don't resist it. Notice that it is just a feeling. Notice the thinking that goes along with it. The thinking that you cannot tolerate this and that you are bad about yourself.

    By releasing all of these without resisting the energy of the heart flows correctly and you feel good.
  • genkakugenkaku Northampton, Mass. U.S.A. Veteran
    If success depends on what someone else says, how can anyone hope to be successful? ... forever running around soliciting a pat on the back so that we can then pat ourselves on the back; continually imagining that family sitcoms represent the way life really is; constantly crying out for improvement because what is right in front of our noses won't suffice. This is a world full or should's and ought-to's and it is never-ending and never brings any reliable peace.

    Common? Yes. Dumb and dumber ... also yes.
  • Hmm, I struggle with this. I work in education and I have been frustrated in my career. It is partially because to be honest I want to have some success, but the other part is that I truly feel I have excellent work to offer and my heart is in the right place. I have so many ideas and projects that I see as beneficial so I don't see how it helps for me or others to continue along in a lower position job for a long time.
    This is an important question. Buddhism isn't so simplistic that it's only about accepting "what is", though many people understand it that way. If you know you have a lot of potential that would help people, you should develop that potential. You're right, it doesn't help anyone for you to work below your potential. And your heart does sound like it's in the right place. So your striving to get ahead isn't about ambition or ego, it's about service. And remember: in Buddhism, intent is everything. If you're trying to get ahead for altruistic reasons and you know you can make a positive difference, then by all means, forge ahead! :) Really, from a moral perspective, I think you're pretty much obligated to realize your potential, so you can be of greater benefit to sentient beings. To hold back means to deny people the benefit of your gifts.


  • I agree, but I also see that some of the suffering we go through is that we see our talents, even in service to others in our community in very narrow paths. Our discomfort is when we don't see them used in the way we feel we could personally achieve results that are beneficial to others.

    In my youth, everyone told me I was very talented as a musician. When the path towards a career in that area didn't come to fruition, I became discouraged and bitter. Later in life, I was approached by a fellow musician to help with teaching youth and setting up community programs around music and related arts. While it is not the career I had scripted, it has been very fulfilling use of those talents and it has given me opportunities to play with wonderful people that my original vision of a musical career would have never given me. It has also helped me give something back to the community I live in.
  • Ahh, this gets to one of my personal points in Buddhism. I am sure someone has Written about however I am not totally certain that it has been stated this way (however much I see it as essential to my practice). Okay so in school in the US we are encouraged to decide what we want to do, match that with schooling and/or talent and then push our way mightily into that career. What is the center of this process, ME! What if you switch that to seeing what chooses you instead of what you choose. Oops late for sangha
  • Here are two essays from the Bodhi Leaves series I have found helpful on this subject:
    http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/various/bl014.html.
  • I will really like to collaborate with a text written by my great-grandfather...

    it is titled "I know how to lose", but it is in spanish.
  • edited June 2011
    Ahh, this gets to one of my personal points in Buddhism. I am sure someone has Written about however I am not totally certain that it has been stated this way (however much I see it as essential to my practice). Okay so in school in the US we are encouraged to decide what we want to do, match that with schooling and/or talent and then push our way mightily into that career. What is the center of this process, ME! What if you switch that to seeing what chooses you instead of what you choose. Oops late for sangha
    This sounds more like the European system, but maybe times have changed in the US since I was in college. The economic pressures and all. But my impression is that people are still advising students to use the first two years in college to try a wide variety of subjects, and see which one really attracts them or resonates with them. If you're too focussed at too early an age, you can miss out on opportunities that are outside of your narrowly focussed vision.

  • LostieLostie Veteran

    Buddhism doesn't tolarate lazyness, or hard work with no results ( where are the right effort and the right concentration at ?)

    What is on to do ? Stop. Breathe. Think.Breathe.Walk Away.
    Thanks 4 the advice.

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