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harmful psychiatry
Vincenzi
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what do you think of current psychiatric practices?
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which specific psychiatric practices do you think are harmful?
I find that medicines are very helpful. After all people ultimately make their own decisions what medicine to take aside from court orders to be hospitalized. A person can test a medicine and judge for themselves whether to take it.
A psychiatrist takes the hipocratic oath and if they follow that they are a servant to their client.
The first thing my psychiatrist said to me was "what can I do for you?"
other than that, i think that most aim to help, not harm.
But if you really disagree it is your choice whether to take medicine or not. Find a different psychiatrist if you don't like the one you have.
it saddens me how fellow buddhists cann't see this.
Psychiatry is based on years of research.
"he aim of this study was to identify individuals experiencing treatment resistance early in the course of their psychotic disorder. It has been suggested that approximately 30% of individuals with schizophrenia have a less than adequate response to antipsychotic medications; however, it is not clear how many of these individuals are treatment refractory at the beginning of their illness and how many become so subsequently. Studies have suggested that the critical period for the development of chronic impairment is approximately one year."
I know that if it wasn't for psychiatry I'd be dead. That's enough for me.
Since everything is voluntary nothing is human rights as I can see it.
Does that makes sense?
not really.
involuntary treatment
that's against basic human rights... and it happens in most countries.
Involuntary hospitalization
Main articles: Involuntary commitment and involuntary treatment
Critics see involuntary committal's use of legally-sanctioned force as counter to one of the pillars of open or free societies: John Stuart Mill's principles. Mill argues that society should never use coercion to subdue an individual as long as he or she does not harm others. In contrast to the Hollywood portrait of schizophrenics, mentally ill people are essentially no more prone to violence than sane individuals.[62][63] The growing practice, in the United Kingdom and elsewhere, of care in the community was instituted partly in response to such concerns. Alternatives to involuntary hospitalization include the development of non-medical crisis care in the community.
In the case of people suffering from severe psychotic crises, the American Soteria project used to provide, critics of psychiatry contend, a more humane and compassionate alternative to coercive psychiatry. The Soteria houses closed in 1983 in the United States due to lack of financial support. However, Soteria-like houses are presently flourishing in Europe, especially in Sweden and other North European countries.[64]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-psychiatry#Involuntary_hospitalization
Involuntary commitment
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For involuntary treatment in non-hospital settings, see involuntary treatment.
Involuntary commitment is the practice of placing a person to a psychiatric hospital or ward against his or her will, in compliance with mental health laws of the country. Commitment is normally time-limited and requires reevaluation at fixed intervals.
Most countries require a formal court hearing if the individual is hospitalized involuntarily more than briefly. Commonly, the commitment process begins when a law enforcement officer or a designated mental health professional determines that a person is in urgent need of psychiatric evaluation. If this evaluation indicates a need for further hospitalization, a court order must be obtained. Physicians (mainly psychiatrists but can be others), or psychologists present written reports to the court and in some cases testify before the judge. The person who is involuntarily hospitalized may be provided with legal counsel, and may challenge the commitment through habeas corpus rules.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involuntary_commitment
Your first link only makes my point about involuntary commitment only in the case of potential harm to self or others, and describes society's more humane response to it. "Most countries require a formal court hearing..."
The link to Involuntary Commitment (which was a link right there from your linked paragraphs) says "Most countries require a formal court hearing if the individual is hospitalized involuntarily more than briefly...If this evaluation indicates a need for further hospitalization, a court order must be obtained...The person who is involuntarily hospitalized may be provided with legal counsel, and may challenge the commitment through habeas corpus rules..."
So your own reference says "Most countries require a formal court hearing if the individual is hospitalized involuntarily more than briefly."
So what "most countries" are you talking about that don't have a proper legal process for involuntary commitment?
I think my point about commitment only if the person is determined to present a danger to him/herself is made- by your provided links.
you are inventing numbers...
the reality of this, eludes you... apologizer.
I'm just tired of arguing with your apologies of abuses.
Could you do that for us?
Or does the reality of this elude you instead?
Schizophrenics are whichever one a deluded psychiatrist thinks it is.
@SherabDorje
I wasn't directing the comment to you.
You are denying the reality of my illness and I take offense. How about you have cancer and I say you are making it up? Screw you dude.
you don't know why I came to such a conclusion.
@SherabDorje
the best treatment for schizophrenia is no treatment, since schizophrenia is not a disease.
Provide some link for a claim like this.
And I have personally seen schizophrenics helped with medication.
What you are saying my have been true 50 years ago, but patient's rights movements have pretty much eliminated the problem. The world is more enlightened about mental "issues" than you think.
@robot- I'm not spoiling for a fight. I just think Vincenzi is very much overstating his case and not backing up his one-liners with any authoritative sources.
"The range of what we think and do is limited by what we fail to notice. And because we fail to notice that we fail to notice there is little we can do to change until we notice how failing to notice affects our thoughts and deeds."
-Laing
Maybe you were misdiagnosed Vincenzi.
I don't trust my family because of my experience.
meditation make me much happier... but the trust of most I know was gone.
do you think I want to talk about it with a bunch of barely respectful (in this thread) strangers?
the question was rethorical, do you think that psychiatry is harmful?
do you think this comment is respectful?
but you know those voices aren't real...
that's just my and the anti-psychiatry movement conclusion.
there's no a single clinical test to say someone has or not schizoprenia, the definition have changed with time... and it is up to "professionals" (that helped the nazi) to say who has it or not.
Why would someone want to hear agressive voices when they can take a pill? I also had delusions. I was getting parking tickets and I thought it was the Christian church trying to convert me. I could look at a license plate and by examining the letters I would be in a mind link with the driver. That is not particularly safe when you are travelling 45 miles an hour down a busy street.
Even on medicine I have to leave holiday celebrations of my family about 50% of the time because I am having paranoia. For awhile I was paranoid that my brother was subtly making fun of me and I put spit my breakfast out into my coffee to freak him out and told him I hated him. When you say you hate someone it can affect the relationship, it took a long time to get back close to him.
This is not about you Vincenzi. Its about everyone. Many people need their medicines and its an insult to them to suggest that they are not ill and don't need them.
Why don't you mind your own business, hey?
I had a psychotic break once. It lasted for about a month, only the last week was bad and it led to a brief hospitalization. I couldn't tell the voices weren't real, they sounded just like someone talking to me, and the things my mind believed were extremely convincing to me. I'm glad a "professional" was able to help get me sorted out and put me on some medication until I could destress and get grounded again.