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What do you think a teacher should do?

JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
edited July 2011 in Buddhism Today
Entertaining that there could be teachers...so I consider extensive discussions on invalidity of teachers to be a thread hijack.

My own view of teachers is that they should answer students questions about meditation and dharma topics. Also if the student has some kind of personal problem, then use that as an opportunity to learn how to apply the dharma.

Comments

  • To regards own self as "teacher" even for the great Mr Siddharta in Buddhism is WRONG but in Buddha we are all forever student .
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    A teacher teaches potential growth, research and open-mindedness, in all things.


  • My own view of teachers is that they should answer students questions about meditation and dharma topics. Also if the student has some kind of personal problem, then use that as an opportunity to learn how to apply the dharma.

    If you think this, then you are right... Because the best teacher in the world is...YOUSELF.
    We dont NEED teachers or books etc etc (remember buddha himself didnt agree with his teachers therefore set off on his own) (and there were no booksback then)

    But we like to read books and listen to teachers because we think its easier and interesting hearing what they have to say. But like i said YOU are YOUR teacher. so whatever u think a teacher should do, your right! x
  • One's own experiences are a great teacher, which is why (good) teachers teach self-awakening and direct insight. This is why teachers are like guides along our own respective paths. They have the experience and knowledge, and they can help us understand when we're having difficulty. But we still have to do the legwork.
  • genkakugenkaku Northampton, Mass. U.S.A. Veteran
    My teacher, Kyudo Nakagawa Roshi, once observed, "Except for me, everything is the teacher."
  • zenffzenff Veteran
    The teacher is not a vital link to our Enlightenment. The only link is our practice. Teachers have nothing to transmit. That which is naturally pure was ours from the day we were born and teachers can - at best - be the facilitators of our exploration of it.

    Being a Zen-teacher is not a very special or very difficult job and we can do without nonsense about the relationship between teacher and student. A teacher’s job is important enough as it is. He can facilitate longer periods of meditation and help us to avoid some pitfalls there. He can inspire us and keep us going. He can give talks, write books and most importantly, his own life can be a shining example of practice.
  • Knowing / learning Buddhism is easy , is fun , is exciting . If boring then it must be wrong , if difficult then it must be wrong method . In search of Buddha , nothing or no one can be associated to Buddha . Nothing or no one not even Mr Siddharta should be referral to Buddha .
    Teacher in our current world teaches "knowledge" , giving insight , providing information to student but in search of Buddha , "knowledge" is only tiny part therefore in Buddhism no Dalai Lama or even Mr Siddharta should be regarded as "teacher" . Mr Siddharta only as introducer of this pure great energy to mankind .
  • In the purification process towards purity ( the Buddha ) , each of us -living or non-living learned / changed / evolved in each own journey in our own speed , own method , own awareness to be pure . No one could claim "better" or more "learned" than others . Even Mr Siddhata's awareness towards Buddha could not be compared to a piece of dirt . Therefore to all "the Master" "the Ven" or "the teacher stop being teacher or even let other call you "Ven" or "master" of Buddhism since this will mis-lead others regard you as referral to Buddhism . Buddhism is about sharing awareness with others , learning from others , free of ego having "knowledge" .
    In Buddha , there are no true or false , no right or wrong , no relationship like "teacher/student" or even "father/son" ,is all of same and equal.
  • In vajrayana, we are taught to view our guru as the complete embodiment of the trikaya—three bodies—as the overlord of all buddha families, the principle of all the mandalas, the embodiment in the single form of all yidams.
    Bardor Tulku Rinpoche
  • Sir ,I want to believe Mr Siddharta said "Believe nothing no matter where you read or who have said it or even if I had said it unless it agress with your own reason and common sense "
    Sir , in search of own purity nothing should be regarded as referral to Buddha , no text or scripture or anyone teaching even if from Mr Siddharta himself . You Mr Karma Dondrup Tashi are on your own journey .....you have to explore to know yourself of what "moves" you , what is your awareness . Not something you MUST believe , or any evident you must belive . Knowledge is forever changing ...learn to gain knowledge but not makes knowledge limit your awareness .
  • Gaining knowledge like we used to go to school , brain stoming our head to learn knowledge is suffering but in knowing Buddha if you have to brain storm to memorize words , prayer , text , all the difficult words ....that is not knowing Buddha ...that is you are preparing yourself to be involved in war of "knowledge" with others .....
  • Teachers should teach each student differently according to their inclination.

    Teachers should not indulge students with kindness all the time, they should attack their problems ruthlessly when given the chance.

    However, many times, it's the students that fails the teacher because they are not determined enough to want to change themselves.

    I think if you have expectations for your teacher, you've already weakened your resolve to change.
  • ShutokuShutoku Veteran


    My own view of teachers is that they should answer students questions about meditation and dharma topics. Also if the student has some kind of personal problem, then use that as an opportunity to learn how to apply the dharma.

    If you think this, then you are right... Because the best teacher in the world is...YOUSELF.
    We dont NEED teachers or books etc etc (remember buddha himself didnt agree with his teachers therefore set off on his own) (and there were no booksback then)

    But we like to read books and listen to teachers because we think its easier and interesting hearing what they have to say. But like i said YOU are YOUR teacher. so whatever u think a teacher should do, your right! x
    Actually there were books back then, and Siddhartha certainly was familiar with the Vedas, and his teachings were clearly influenced by them.
    Without teachers we wouldn't be having this discussion at least as Buddhists. We have all accepted Shakyamuni as our teacher and we only know of his teachings through books, and ...well....teachers.

    Those who have walked further along the path can certainly help guide us, but they cannot walk for us.

    To me a teacher should explain the teachings and how it applies to us. For meditative schools, the teacher should instruct meditation techniques, and be able to help students who get into problems or bad habits with their practice, and or understanding of the teachings.
    They should also be of good character and behavior. They don't need to be perfect saints, they are still human after all and will make mistakes, but they should at least be able to see the error of things like theft, substance abuse, and sexual abuse. They should live the teaching.

  • jlljll Veteran
    edited July 2011
    A teacher should teach.
    Buddha had 2 teachers.
    At this time in India there were many religious teachers. One of the best and most well known was Alara Kalama. Ascetic Gotama went to study under him. He stayed and was taught many things, including meditation. He worked hard and eventually equalled his teacher in learning. Finally Alara Kalama could not teach Gotama any more and he said, "You are the same as I am now. There is no difference between us. Stay here and take my place and teach my students with me."
    Thus, Gotama left Alara Kalama and went in search of a new teacher. At last he found another great teacher, Uddaka, who was famous for his cleverness. Again, Gotama learnt very quickly and soon knew as much as his teacher
  • Sakyamuni Buddha had many teachers from his past lives while practicing the Bodhisattva way.

    When your heavily deluded, how can you awaken without guidance from Good Dharma Friends?

    Without teachings from Sakyamuni Buddha, how could we talk about the stuff we talk about on here?

  • seeker242seeker242 Zen Florida, USA Veteran
    I heard a Zen teacher, forgot his name, once say "My job is to pull the rug out from under people". :) Having the rug pulled out from under you is a very good teaching!
  • One of my teachers used to say "You all are so proud of your samadhi, I could p*ss each and every one of you off in about 30 seconds".

  • CloudCloud Veteran
    edited July 2011
    It is often said that the teachings are a finger pointing to the moon; if you fix your mind's-eye on the finger, you miss seeing what it is pointing at.

    The teachers have already seen the moon. The textual teachings may be taken many different ways to the unrealized mind, and are disputed between traditions (even within traditions). These teachers have gone beyond the words that everyone else clings to. They no longer have to have faith or confidence in what the "finger" of teachings is talking about, are not entangled in views about whether it means this, or that, or something else altogether. They know.

    They have Right View and can guide others, knowing where the other's mind is and when it has finally become freed of its ignorance. That is their worth, and it's not small. It is not necessary to have a teacher for some, in the same way people may learn to drive without being taught, but it is rare to reach the goal without someone else who is beyond any doubt to guide you. It is more like learning to fly a space-rocket on your own, which no doubt a handful of geniuses could... but not many else. And genius has nothing to do with this; intelligence can actually be a barrier to spiritual growth.

    I wish I had one. :)
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    :bowdown:
  • edited July 2011
    In education I can have a teacher that is trained to have knowledge to teach my children , a doctor whom is certified / agreed and accepted by general public to have knowledge on health / medicion can be my teacher that able to guide me in term of the food that I take etc . My trainer in sport is my teacher guiding me to become a better sport person . But........in Buddhism knowledge is only a tiny part . How can a person be so sure know "purity " , or can claim to have better awareness than others .Is impossible for any human like Dalai Lama or even Mr Siddharta himself claim to be "teacher" in purity ( Buddha) and teach others .Mr Siddharta is only the introducer of this pure energy to mankind . Buddha is not created or invented by him .

    How can any man so sure they have better awareness than a tree in Buddhism ?
    Awareness of one person cannot be measured or compared , is a process of one understanding of it own nature / emotions / pollutant against purity .
  • Is almost impossible to know Buddha solely from one source or from one person . In my current awareness ( I am ready to move from this awareness ) Buddha can only be learned if we are free ourself from ego / selfishness by accepting ourself same and equal to others , all living & non-living is same and equal with me and all can show me Buddha . Buddha can be learned from all living and non-living .
    Learning Buddhism is easy / fun and interesting , if boring or difficult than it must be wrong .
    Nothing - no text / scripture or materials or no one including Mr Siddharta can be associated to Buddha .
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