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Maybe it's more like noticing a surplus of burden, rather than a lack of enlightenment?
>> The motivation for cultivating the concentration is not the pleasure.
However, the pleasure could be one of the motivations, IMO. If it's pleasurable, it's going to motivate you to devote time to it. The realization that attachment to the pleasure will create suffering will help to deal skillfully with this pleasure.
A few days ago I was struck by something that Thanissaro Bhikkhu said (I'm going to digress a bit, sorry for that): we should recognize our possible actions as being 'on the path' or 'distracting from the path'. This is not so much different from discriminating skillful from unskillful actions, but the nice thing about this phrasing is that what is skillful or unskillful also depends WHERE you are on your path. For some, having sex could be 'on the path' (give good results), and for others 'distracting from the path' (give bad results). I'm probably repeating what has already been said, but I just really liked the 'on the path'/'off the path' idea.
I'm not a student of vajrayana anymore, and my teacher did not tell me if they have tantric sex or not. My use of tantra is in the Indian sense, and your fun little jab is nonsequitor. I was asking valid questions, describing valid intentions. Buddha taught laypeople to have sex... is it unreasonable for you to look at sex as a partnered meditation, rather than two meat sacks rutting for pleasure?
Are you actually DD from a different account?
Nice try but the expression 'tantric sex' has a rather different meaning to 'Buddhist cooking and car driving'!
Buddha taught laypeople, but he did't teach them to have 'tantric sex'.
Its a mix up with Hindu yoga which was added later and has nothing at all to do with the core teachings of the Buddha.
However you're obviously clinging to your own misperceptions about this....so cling away, friend, may it bring you happiness.
Ok sense pleasure and desire may be mutually exclusive. Desire is based on the illusion that there are feelings inside such as boredom to get away from and pleasure to gain. To a being with some awareness sex or rich food may be experienced as suffering.
In mahamudra idea sensitivity is an indestructible quality of Buddha nature or unconditional awareness or in Theravada referred to in scripture as consciousness without surface. It is what allows us to operate appropriately along with clarity and opening. A Buddha does not experience desire but a Buddha would have sex if it averted harm or liberated beings from samsara. Big if. Don't expect the path to be easy and keep mindfulness. If you have sex have sex. Full force undivided. If you don't then bring that to the path as well.
I don't think there is any reason to try and make sex more or less than what it is. Of course, sex can mean different things for different people, but in all cases it is a sensual pleasure enjoyed by lay people. It is always always always associated with some form of desire and attachment, whether it is subtle or gross.
There's no reason to be ashamed of oneself for enjoying sex, it's a part of life, but those who respect and wish to uphold the virtues of the religious path should not try to transform an obviously sensual distraction into some kind of esoteric ritual leading to enlightenment.
If you enjoy sex, and wish to seek or maintain a sexual relationship, then you should come to terms with the fact that nirvana will not be attained before death. There are many ways of being a virtuous and meritorious person while living the lay person's life, while taking refuge in the Buddha, Dharma, and Sangha. Virtuous and skillful karma will lead to happy birth.
I have sex with my girlfriend and it can feel special and even religious at times, but I don't trick myself into believing that it is necessary or even allowable behavior if the cessation of becoming were my goal for this life.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
Cooking and driving a car are not part of buddha's teaching, but they are part of a lay path. I have done my best to point at the paradigm I've experienced, if your mind considers it an excuse for sensual pleasure, I'm content with that. I was exploring the question of mindful sex, and looking to see if the impetus could be without attachment.
I was trying to be funny. I think you're funny too. I also considered "do you have a DD on your cheerleading sweater?" Humor is in short supply some times. I wonder why that is?
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In my understand, awareness can increase where there is stimulation of lust. Lust comes from stimulation of pleasure
For the purpose of awakening, i thought the Buddha recommended looking a rotting corpses rather than placing penis in vagina?
Regards :-/
I didn't say there is enlightment "post death." And what do you mean "bring sex to the path?" Do you mean that the act of sex is as easily recognizable, as easily controlled, as easily focused upon, and as easily brought to the fore as the act of breathing.
A living person cannot live without breath. A living person can live without sex.
So many people in this modern world like to make sex a bigger thing than it actually is. Whether its making it out to be some sacred act ordained by god, or a sin of the flesh, or the purpose of living, or some grand expression of love. Sex is just sex, its two (or more) bodies rubbing against eachother in a way that feels really good. Its nothing more and nothing less than exactly what it is, sensual pleasure.
The act of breathing is not sensual pleasure. It is nutriment.
What if everybody decided that they weren't going to have sex anymore. Didn't matter if it was for pleasure, reproduction or both. The lack of new humans would mean what to buddhism?
If sex always produces lust, how could it be wholesome? If it is not wholesome, why did Buddha suggest it for a householder?
It is non seqitar that breath is vital for life as the point is not that celibacy is impossible. It does not logically follow that a non mandatory to life activity need be abandoned again there is a difference between senses and craving.
Breathing is a sense pleasure or it couldn't be used to understand craving. Exactly my point that sex is no big deal.
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Breath is not motivated by sensual desire and is not used for "understanding craving." Focus upon the breath is used because of its simplicity and because the breath is not driven by sensual desire. The Buddha used focus upon the breath as a primary method for entering into the Jhanas and formless meditations. Are you suggesting that the Buddha was driven by sensual desire when he focused upon his breath?
Sex is a complicated, constantly evolving, tangled mess of sensuality, emotion, and craving. Any and all perceived benefits of sexual activity are governed by the 3 marks of existence, namely they are impermanent, not-self, and disatisfying. The pleasures of sexuality are impermanent because they are conditioned, fade quickly and are easily manipulated by new interests and sensations. They are not-self because there is no abiding and eternal essence in either the pleasures experienced or the act itself. They are disatisfying because they do not lead to the unconditioned, to the deathless, to unbinding.
Sir , do anything you wish to do as long as you aware your action , dont act just to fulfil your desire and against your own compassion you will regret it when you move to higher awareness . So consider all your awareness like emotions / desire / love / compassion etc and act on it so that when you move to higher awareness you will never regret your action .
In my own awareness , I will make love to anyone I wish as long as my action will never cause any suffering to others but I will not make love to anyone just to please oneself including myself and caused suffering to others .
"I will make love to anyone I wish"
"I will not make love to anyone just to please myself"
You, sir, are delusional.
What is "buddha energy?"
No one will "teach" you Buddha , not even Dalai Lama or even Mr Siddharta himself , you MUST learn it your self , by accepting you are same & equal with all and all living or non-living is same & equal with you . Learn Buddha from human , animal , tree , viruses , rock , water , rubbish , pen , table AND YOURSELF etc . All is your master / source of Buddha.
Just put the word 'sex' in a thread title, and it goes on for reams and reams, with nobody actually really saying anything....
Even just the word 'sex' is enough to engender more comments from more participating members than any other topic...
"If it feels good, do it. When in doubt, don't." is all I have to say.
All the best
All this means, Dazzle, is that your teacher/s chose not to teach you a certain way. Not everyone is given the teachings for consort practice. If you look around on some of the other forums, it's clear there are members who practice with a consort. But aside from that, HHDL discusses tantric sexual technique in several of his books. In the Berzin Archives, he says, "Being able to have sexual contact without releasing semen is something needed when you practice the advanced stages of the completion stage [of the tantras]." He also goes into some detail of this nature in "How to Practice: The Way to a Meaningful Life" and "The Good Heart". The DL is full of surprises, lol !
Lol! ignorance is bliss as the saying goes.
Best wishes
As for your recent post, you made it just sound like two horny people going for it.
Don't go blaming me for the impression you gave in your post.
You are describing the love of a pleasurable feeling & high as 'love'.
All the best