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So how do I gently get out of *this* situation?

MountainsMountains Veteran
edited September 2011 in General Banter
So I just started classes about a 50 minute drive from my house. The first day of class we connected people who could potentially ride share to save fuel. I'm happy to do that. So another member of my class and I agreed to start doing it. OMG... after two days I'm about to go insane! The nanosecond she gets into the car her mouth is running (about stuff I really don't have any interest in or business knowing about her family, etc). She drove today, and I nearly wet myself on a couple of occasions, her driving was so horrendous (seriously).

So how does one extricate one's self from this without causing undue suffering??? I'm sort of at a loss. The school goes into the middle of next year, and there's no *way* I can ride with this person every day.

Comments

  • Yeesh...horrid situation. I deeply sympathise!

    The textbook 'correct' answer is probably that your safety and sanity are of paramount importance and therefore you should probably just be (gently) honest and say it isn't going to work out for you. As we both know, though, life isn't a textbook, so it may be easier said than done.
  • genkakugenkaku Northampton, Mass. U.S.A. Veteran
    Sorry to be such a sissy, but your driving frightens me and when I'm driving I have a hard time focusing when you talk so much. I don't want either of us to get hurt.
  • Easy to say (or rather, write) :)
  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    or, you could bring an ipod and headphones, saying you've just gotten into a great book on tape. it won't save you if you crash and die at the hands of her unskilled driving, BUT, on the plus side... books on tape are sorta awesome for long drives.

    if you don't want to try the evasive tactics though, i'd just be upfront like genkaku says.
  • As with anything in life, the ball is in your court. You could back out or you could plow through "gritting your teeth" the whole way.

    Since I am offering a wooden nickle's worth of advice, I will address the driving portion of your dilemma first.

    Since this person is incessantly talking, may I suggest you say to her that for safety reasons that she please keep the boisterous talking to a minimum. This should slow that problem some provided it doesn't tick her off.

    Now, as to the riding portion, you will most likely be in a seated position the whole time therefore you are at liberty to do as you please(obviously she prefers lots of endless jabbering when she rides), but I think in this case it is an ideal environment to practice vipassana with an aim towards emotional control(overcoming fear) and personal self-control(resisting the urge to back out of the carpooling arrangement). That said,zombiegirl's idea of a good music player with some sound cancelling headphones can work wonders too. :D

    Here's hoping everything works out for the best
    Nanimo
  • the only way out is through.

    you make the problem, thus you make the solution.

    the best advice a billboard gave me the other day.

    GO WITH THE FLOW.
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    "You know, I'm not enjoying car pooling as much as I thought I would. I guess I'm just a drive-myself kinda person."
  • "You know, I'm not enjoying car pooling as much as I thought I would. I guess I'm just a drive-myself kinda person."
    Or in other words, "I hate other people. HATE THEM, I tell you."

    :D
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited September 2011
    I thought both Vix and Vin had good suggestions. Your safety is paramount. But one would like to be diplomatic. The two fit together.

    I only got a driver's license a few years ago. I still feel like a newbie. When I'm outside urban areas, I'm fine. When I'm in town, in traffic, dealing with mazes of one-way streets, 4-way stops, the occasional intersection with no functioning traffic lights, and other hazards, I need to focus on my driving. I tell passengers upfront I'm not able to multi-task, I'm not able to chat when I drive, and I seriously need to focus on my driving. I may add that their safety and mine depend on my staying focussed. You might be surprised at some of the responses I get; some people are such compuslive talkers, they can't deal with silence. So I just gently repeat that I have to watch the road, that driving for me is a "zen" thing, in that it's total single-minded focus. Repeat any of the above as needed.

    Or...just wiggle your way out of the situation altogether the best you can. If she takes offense, you'll still have your life (and sanity) intact, and having one member of the class who isn't your friend isn't the end of the world. You can't be liked by everyone, such is life.

    I love these installments of "Mountains Does Life". ^_^
  • I love these installments of "Mountains Does Life". ^_^
    Tune in next week, same bat time, same bat channel!

  • Ah yes awkward. I like the 'not a carpool person' answer a lot. If necessary (and I shy away from white lies but some people take any reason to not do what they want as a reason to argue and convince you) then I would just say you have things to do before or after class. Of course what you may need to do is to enjoy peace and silence. Do NOT make up elaborate stories to save her feelings, they backfire, but saying simply it is not working for you is about the most respectful way to go even if uncomfortable to starr.
  • Hey, Mts., do we get an update on your carpool situation? hee *chuckle* I need my fix, this is better than Oprah! ;)
  • Yes, I have to admit to acting unskillfully today. I "had a doctor's appointment" after class. I just needed a break :)
  • Ah. Buying time before facing the inevitable moment. ok. Thanks for the update.
  • Yes, I have to admit to acting unskillfully today. I "had a doctor's appointment" after class. I just needed a break :)
    Oh dear...poor @Mountains!
  • Better hope she doesn't ask you how the Doc's appointment went. hyuk hyuk *chuckle*
    Of course, it's not funny when you're in a situation like that, and we all struggle with this sort of thing at some point in our lives, but it's funny to read about. Anyway, it's the weekend now, you don't have to deal with it until next week. Maybe you can spend the weekend working up your courage.

    or...hiding under a rock. ^_^
  • MountainsMountains Veteran
    edited September 2011
    I actually did go to the doctor today. And I had my first acupuncture treatment (other than local stuff for muscle strains). It was wunnaful! And I got my flu shot like a good little nurse/massage therapy student.
  • Acupuncture is extremely impressive stuff, if you find a good practitioner, which isn't always easy. Congrats on finding one! Flu shot? Really? Do you think that's necessary? ...just wondering.
  • I've had patients die from the flu. Yes, absolutely necessary for me.

    My first visit with this young man (acupuncturist), so we'll see...
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    I agree with Mountains regarding flu shots. I have had friends who were against them, though they were nonsense, and while they didn't die, a couple were hospitalized with plain old flu. And lots of people think when you get a flu shot you will get sick. Not really. Almost every year when I get a flu shot, I can count on that evening feeling very lightly "fluish" for 1-3 hours, then I am completely back to normal...as opposed to getting the flu and being sick in bed for a few days.

    I can't speak for the accupuncture personally, but I know several people who have gotten relief from having it, including a former librarian at my school who was doing nuts from tinnitus, and the accupuncture was the only thing that brought some relief.
  • MountainsMountains Veteran
    edited September 2011
    I haven't felt the slightest twinge from a flu shot in probably 25 years. Some people still do (it's just your immune system ramping up), but it's actually fairly uncommon with modern vaccines.

    And let me right now, since we're on the subject, dispel the commonly held belief that you can get the flu from a flu shot. Factually, scientifically speaking, you cannot (CAN NOT) get the flu from a flu shot. Any more than you can become a cow from eating a hamburger. The flu virus in the vaccine is *DEAD*. Kaput. Mort. Gonzo. Outta there. Belly up. Six feet under. Pushing up daisies. Eating dandelion roots. Bitten the dust. Caught the Jesus bus. D-E-A-D, day-UDD.

    What you *can* do is get a flu shot, and then get a nasty cold. The flu shot doesn't protect you from every virus on the planet. You can get the vaccine and already have a cold brewing, or you can get a cold later. Sometimes the timing may seem suspicious, but the flu vaccine CAN NOT make you sick, other than a mild, transient reaction as described above. There are lots of viruses running around at the same time of year you're going to be getting the flu vaccine, so it's not to be unexpected that you *could* get sick around the same time. It's just the way of the world.

    I can't tell you how many times I have to explain this to patients (and even other nurses... frighteningly). It's simply not possible. And when people do get sick and make the connection that it was the vaccine that made them so, what they don't realize is that if they have a nasty cold, it's nowhere NEAR like having the actual flu. If you have full blown influenza, believe me when I tell you, you'll know it's not a nasty cold, because most likely you'll end up in the hospital.

    :)

  • Thanks, guys. It's not that I have something against flu shots. It's just that I haven't had the flu or a cold in about 10 years. It didn't seem necessary to get a shot. But if you all say it's important to get one, and flu is that virulent, ok. Better to be safe than sorry. Do they use mercury in the administration of flu shots?
  • I wasn't directing my diatribe at anyone, just to everyone in general because it's such a widely held misconception. I can't think of a year that I haven't heard it several times :) It is *most* assuredly better safe that sorry. I can't say that enough.

    Do vaccines contain mercury? Yes, but as in most cases with things like this, it's not that simple. Vaccines contain thimerosal as a preservative. Thimerosal has been in use since the 1930s, and is extremely safe (there are very few drugs on the market that have been as widely investigated). Thimerosal contains **ethylmercury** vs. the toxic form *methylmercury* that is commonly found in things like old thermostats, etc. Similar, but vastly different compounds. Here's some information from the CDC...

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/Thimerosal/thimerosal_faqs.html
  • Thank you, I get flu shots for me and my kids every year. We all have asthma and are recommended. Each virus I get sparks another athma flare which ends in steroids and a lot of coughing.

    The other thing to consider when deciding to get a flu shot is who you are around who may be immune compromised in some way. My mother worked in elder care and always got her shot since passing the flu to her participants could be deadly. I recommended my boyfriend get one since he is a helper to a friend waiting on a kidney transplant. I also went nowhere near him when i was sick last, not wanting to even pass on a cold.
  • Indeed... good advice!
  • Regarding OP, I would suggest, without criticism, that you just listen. Perhaps your carpool person talks so much because nobody really listens to her. Perhaps just really listening will help her out more than you will ever know. You have an opportunity to be a good friend for a couple hours a day.
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited September 2011
    Very good point, Gui. This could be a very isolated person, who simply needs someone to listen. It could be part of Moutains' compassion practice to be an attentive listener. Still, I think it might be a bit much to expect him to practice an hour of "listening compassion" twice daily all week, for a year. But who knows? It could be transformative for him. In a good way. Frankly, it would drive me up the wall, so I guess I need to practice compassion and equanimity more, too, eh?
  • Ah yes, Dakini. We all should practice compassion and equanimity more. My feet would be planted more firmly on the path if I always followed my own advice. But I didn't mean expectation for anything. We do what we can. But we keep trying no matter what. I can certainly empathize with Mountains. And I am laughing as I write this. There is a saying in my family about the men being so quiet. It's only because we can't get a word in! :D
  • You guys are gonna guilt me into it, aren't you? :) I seriously do have to go see my chiropractor tomorrow after school...

    I pity this woman's husband :)
  • There is a saying in my family about the men being so quiet. It's only because we can't get a word in! :D
    I don't recall knowing women who monopolize the conversations. I only know arrogant men who monopolize the conversation, and interrupt me whenever I try to contribute. So ... I guess we're all human beings in the final analysis. Humans with egos of different sizes.

    Mountains, ya gotta do what ya gotta do. Lucky you, you have a chiro app't tomorrow. Eventually, you'll probably just have to tell her you need the quiet drive time to unwind after class, or something. And you've been feeling like, because of the frequency of your appointments, you can't be a reliable carpool partner for her. That's a good one. :) good luck
  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    edited September 2011
    @Gui just reminded me of an episode of Scrubs in which Molly Shannon made a guest appearance as a paramedic that Dr. Cox was forced to ride with. it was the same sort of situation that mountains finds himself in, she talked non-stop and drove him crazy. she would go on and on about her son and Dr. Cox was becoming increasingly irritated until something happened to force Molly Shannon's character to wind up in the hospital herself, and then Dr. Cox found out that all of her talking was simply masking her pain that her son had actually died. i realize it's just a tv show, but this suddenly seems like it could be rather relevant. it was actually a rather heart warming episode.
    There is a saying in my family about the men being so quiet. It's only because we can't get a word in! :D
    I don't recall knowing women who monopolize the conversations. I only know arrogant men who monopolize the conversation, and interrupt me whenever I try to contribute. So ... I guess we're all human beings in the final analysis. Humans with egos of different sizes.
    oh, and on a side note, i know both men and women like this. lol.
  • Yes, thanks ZG, for pointing out that motor-mouth can be a symptom of trauma or emotional pain. I've known people who deal with tremendous loss this way.

    But it can also be a symptom of boys being raised to think they're entitled to be the center of attention, and that everything they say is important and brilliant.

    ok....time to move these rants to another thread.... :grumble:
  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    edited September 2011
    Yes, thanks ZG, for pointing out that motor-mouth can be a symptom of trauma or emotional pain. I've known people who deal with tremendous loss this way.

    But it can also be a symptom of boys being raised to think they're entitled to be the center of attention, and that everything they say is important and brilliant.

    ok....time to move these rants to another thread.... :grumble:
    *or girls
    lol

    i have this awesome relationship with my sister because she's like this and in our conversations i'm always thinking, "man, is she ever going to shut up so i can get my point across?" and THEN i end up getting impatient and cutting her off so that i can say what i want, and then she cuts ME off so she can say what she wants and i think, "how rude is she!????" and then i realize... my sister and i are just the same. :)

    i work very hard on curbing this behavior, just fyi.
  • haha! Great story, ZG! ^_^
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    From this article posted by @riverflow in another thread.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2003/03/caring-for-your-introvert/2696/

    "I'm an introvert. You are a wonderful person and I like you. But now please shush."
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