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No Man Is An Island; Buddhist Perspectives

Bodha8Bodha8 Veteran
edited December 2011 in Philosophy
'No Man is an Island'
No man is an island entire of itself; every man
is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;
if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as
well as any manner of thy friends or of thine
own were; any man's death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind.
And therefore never send to know for whom
the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.

Although the author John Donne was a Christian Catholic Priest (1571-1625,)I see parallels of oneness and buddhist philosophies within his work. For example: "No man is an island" "Any man's death diminishes me" "And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;it tolls for thee"

Is this message of universal oneness with us today? If not, how can it be revived.

Comments

  • TheswingisyellowTheswingisyellow Trying to be open to existence Samsara Veteran
    edited December 2011
    @Bodha8 "Is this message of universal oneness with us today"?
    Was it ever with us?
    On the whole most folks have never know nor will ever entertain such ideas. The world for most, is one of a separate self rooted in permenance. This is the ignorance we as buddhist we are trying to cut at the root.
    @Bodha8 "If not, how can it be revived".
    Utopian ideals I think can work well individually but collectively they don't as everyone needs to be on the same page and this path requires much work and most would be uninclined or disinterested.
    I like the poem :)
  • @bodha8 How does that square with the rhinoceros sutra? www.hermitary.com/solitude/rhinoceros.html
  • I wonder if the rhinoceros sutra was intended mainly for monks wandering in a solitary fashion, outside the sangha? That's a fairly narrow circumstance. Monks in a monastery or sangha wouldn't be so solitary.
  • @Bodha8 "Is this message of universal oneness with us today"?
    Was it ever with us?
    On the whole most folks have never know nor will ever entertain such ideas. The world for most, is one of a separate self rooted in permenance. This is the ignorance we as buddhist we are trying to cut at the root.
    @Bodha8 "If not, how can it be revived".
    Utopian ideals I think can work well individually but collectively they don't as everyone needs to be on the same page and this path requires much work and most would be uninclined or disinterested.
    I like the poem :)
    Oneness has been with us for at least 2500 years to a limited extent, the Buddha and his followers, Christ and his followers are proof of that. Currently, it would seem people who believe in universal oneness are in the minority. However, Eckhart Tolle's book "A New Earth" suggests that we are standing on the threshhold of a shift in awakening. The attitude of some supposedly enlightened individuals, regarding the hopelessness of the ignorant masses, only serves to retard the process of such a shift. I would echo the words of Mahatma Gandhi "Be the change you wish to see in the world."

  • Someone is always saying we're standing on the threshold of a great awakening, a mental-spiritual shift. In the 60's they called it the Age of Aquarius. Gopi Krishna said that Kundalini is the evolutionary future of mankind, that through realizing this powerful spiritual energy that's dormant inside us, humankind will finally reach its potential and put its efforts into peaceful coexistence.

    It seems fairly easy to conceive of oneness. The hard part is bringing it to fruition.
  • genkakugenkaku Northampton, Mass. U.S.A. Veteran
    I think it's worth keeping in mind that the assertion or emphasis on "oneness" depicts precisely the same confused and mistaken view that goes into "separation."
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    We depend on one another entirely for our survival. Its other people who grow the food we eat. Its other people that pave the roads we drive on. Its other people that buy the products or services we produce. Its other people that do so many of the things we need every day.

    I feel there's a tendency for some to think that they are self made individuals. They pulled themselves up by their bootstraps, got an education and make a decent living where they can pay others for the things they need. Its all through their own effort. Maybe they weren't given a handout or provided with any advantages, but did they educate themselves or was it other people who taught them and wrote their textbooks? Are they the ones that also use whatever it is that they produce?

    Thats not to say that we all don't do our part, but we all need one another in order to surive and thrive.
  • Yes, to @person. And I would add: why are we here? What's the purpose of life? We're here in part, for each other. Life is hard. Life is unfair. We're here to reach out to each other and make life a little more fair, a little less hard. And while we're at it, we can work toward enlightenment.
  • At Savatthi. There the Blessed One said: "From an inconstruable beginning comes transmigration. A beginning point is not evident, though beings hindered by ignorance and fettered by craving are transmigrating & wandering on. A being who has not been your mother at one time in the past is not easy to find... A being who has not been your father... your brother... your sister... your son... your daughter at one time in the past is not easy to find.

    "Why is that? From an inconstruable beginning comes transmigration. A beginning point is not evident, though beings hindered by ignorance and fettered by craving are transmigrating & wandering on. Long have you thus experienced stress, experienced pain, experienced loss, swelling the cemeteries — enough to become disenchanted with all fabricated things, enough to become dispassionate, enough to be released."

    http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn15/sn15.014.than.html
  • It's good to peg these teachings down to their source, thanks for this, pegembara. I've always wondered where the belief came from that even the worms were probably our mother or father.

    This quote kinda takes the wind out of the sails of the people who say the Buddha didn't teach reincarnation. Unless they have a reason to believe this passage is a later addition to the canon. There's always that argument.
  • While I do not share in the metaphysical reincarnation side of the rebirth argument, Dakini, I can see where they get the ammunition for such from this passage as Pegembara presented.

    Nowhere in this passage does it speak of dying and being reborn in a different body. To me, it only suggests the metaphysical "shoulders to cry on" notion and the displeasure with their relentless reoccurence in this world.
  • To me, the key word is "transmigration". I think the passage is pretty clear. I guess it just goes to show how interpretation is in the eye of the beholder.
  • Yes, to @person. And I would add: why are we here? What's the purpose of life? We're here in part, for each other. Life is hard. Life is unfair. We're here to reach out to each other and make life a little more fair, a little less hard. And while we're at it, we can work toward enlightenment.
    A favourite quotation, courtesy of HHDL, from Shantideva:

    "The buddhas care only for others; worldly beings care only for themselves. Just look at the difference between them."

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