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A fellow student is attacked
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Thank you for sharing Lincoln.
A friend of mine who has trained in martial arts for years and is an expert, had told me that the more he learned and the better the got at it, the more he understood that he shouldn't use it. I asked if he was being threaten or robbed, would he then use his martial arts skill to defend himself. He said no, he would rather run away.
I wouldnt bother with a rape alarm - noone responds to them - I hope youre never attacked but if you are youre better off shouting "Fire" - people respond to that more often...
Mixed martial arts are the best - I would recommend some form of cage fighting all in type form... you should practice boxing style punching, jujitsu grappling, taichi movement and groundwork for a minimum 2 years (once a week formal and 4 times a week additional home training on your own or with friend etc for 30 mins minimum) - once you reach that point then start something like Aikido as that will build on your foundation - the problem with 'traditional' martial arts is that you have to undergo years of pointless form and subservience before they teach you an effective technique... better to start with a mixed martial arts as they substitute tradition for pragmatism and once you understand how your body works more you will be able to pick up a more traditional style and incorporate it to your needs...
In a way, I find this thread a relief from the gun threads, where many people believe the solution to violence is to carry a gun. I notice no one here is saying they need to get a gun. Some aren't even talking about the need to buff up their skills, but about avoiding violence entirely, and taking evasive action. This is a welcome tonic from the "more guns = more safety" view.
Good thread.
Lincoln, what martial art do you/he practice?
Brazilian jujitsu has become very popular now, but in the case of a guy with a knife, I would think it's a liability (at least in its pure form)-- clenching is second nature to these guys and that can quickly get you stabbed.
I remember watching an episode of "Human Weapon" where they went to the Philippines and trained in knife fighting. The MMA/jujitsu guy kept clenching his opponent, who promptly stabbed him in the side, repeatedly.
In any case, nice to see that your friend is healthy.
@buddhajunkie It won't get you stabbed if what you lock up is the arm with the weapon
I know there are techniques in Aikido that can disarm the person and restrain them, or at least a technique that can disable them for a couple of seconds, which is enough to run away. I have never been a fighter, but I will defend myself and others mindfully.
Our backgrounds may be different though... how long have you been training and where are you at?
Thus far I have trained in Kyokushinkaikan (3rd Dan black belt), taekwondo (2nd dan), Wadu-Ryu (1st dan), Judo (2nd dan), Jujitsu (1st dan), kung fu toa (black sash), yang cheng fu tai chi and I've been boxing for about 18 years...
I am usually training people for very highly violent situations such as security work, close protection and door work - the levels of violence we're talking about are staggering and the stakes are very high as usually the attacker is aiming to injure rather than for example to steal (with injury being a by product) so perhaps I am looking at it from not an everyday perspective...
As for a knife attack, while I'm sure highly trained Aikido guys could defend well, I think it's too high risk for most people who are even reasonably trained. Against a person with a knife I think a kick to the groin and eye strike should be the default option (combined with a block, if necessary). Of course, even these moves must be practiced til they are second nature.
And bigger picture, of course we have to end capitalism, do paradise engineering, and mentor kids in the meantime.
I think it would be ideal if we could all carry some ayahuasca spray or blow darts, as that would be more likely to teach a lesson than pepper spray or maiming or running away.
Thanks for not feeding the ''middle class'' notion of those for whom Jainism is better suited.In my defense practice I wear no belt,keep my ability fairly well hidden,and am long fused.I've noticed how hot tempered the non-practitioners are.Self-defense is the Zen art of not getting killed, and reducing fear of violence. I sit in meditation before JKD practice.
It is very hard to be kind or even helpful if you are dead.The timid by existing force gentle compassionate people for protection.
As for the issue of non-violence, in my personal opinion, the way of the least harm is the ethical choice. I mean when looking at the big picture and not just the scene we can see in front of us. By not stopping this person we allow the chain of harm to continue. Running away may seem like the path of the least harm but what has happened is the attacker can now focus on somebody that maybe can't run away.
If I can stop somebody from hurting another I will. If somebody is coming at me, I prefer to do what @Lionduck did, however, that approach only works on some kinds of attackers and I would suggest learning how to defend.
Why bother doing anything?
Compassion? Bah! It's all empty and worthless!
:thumbsup:
Peace and Love
I have lived and travelled in many countries, and have been in dangerous situations, too, but have never ever been harmed. I try to observe non-violence in all areas, and always have a sense of being protected. I would never carry a weapon ... learn to overcome your fear (meditation is a great tool therein, too), and let your defencelessness keep you safe!
From the article I linked - "In general, the studies found that strategies such as crying, pleading or reasoning were ineffective. Some studies even indicate that these strategies can cause increased chance of injury."
Non-violence is a cute theory, but rapists don't really care about it.
Most people will return it if they have to, to survive. Most Buddhist streams of thought acknowledge this is acceptable in a social way; but acceptable doesn't mean no karmic consequence. It just means that, as with anything else, you make your choice and incur whatever karma results from it.
I've always been interested in the "aversion" tactics - it has been said (or used to be) that if you're helpless to do anything else, sometimes feigning sickness or extreme mental illness can cause enough hesitation in the attacker to give you one last shot at escape.
At any rate, fighting back is only safer if you have no chance to run; running is always safest (barring weird circumstances like trains and dropoffs, of course).
As for aversion tactics, some people say to defecate or urinate over yourself, I don't know of any studies that verify its effectiveness, though.
Definitely not advocating people sacrifice themselves, by the way. I've been lucky enough to be able to run from the few close scrapes in my life, but if cornered, I'm sure I'd do whatever it took to stay alive. It's not "me or karma" -- karma is just a natural law of whatever happens.
Sadly, samsaric life is full of what we consider to be misfortune, and karma is just the way our choices under unfortunate (or any) circumstances reverberate throughout samsaric life. If we like the outcome, we label it fortunate; if we don't like it, we label it unfortunate.
I understand it's uselesness now.
I work out at the gym and practise yoga and meditation at home.
Even tough I work as a security guard, I realise it's all about quickness and awereness rather then skill.
If someone approaches me with a knife I just run.
Heroes die first.
Calmth and metta, now there is a force unbeatable.
I had something similar once in a physical confrontation...
I saw every opening, everything I could do in that one split second to that person.
The possibilities bursted into my mind all at once and I was able to pick one and act.
I just pushed the person, opening a 'line' and walked it into freedom straight to the police station LOL.