Ghosts are Real, and Einstein Said So!

DaltheJigsaw

http://theoriesofconspiracy.com/2012/01/ghosts-are-real-and-einstein-said-so.htm

DaltheJigsaw

I believe it! I have seen!

NomaDBuddha

I don't know how real it is, but the electrical activity of anything dies when the electric source dies. Although I have studied little about the electrical phenomena that take place in the body, I say that ghost are not the remains of former electrical brain activity, because brain cells ( electricity generators) die, and there is no energy to be produced in order to have a ghost.

Taken from high-school physics about electricity:

1. Electricity is described as an ordered movement of electrons. For this, there has to be an impulse that makes them move in order. If there is no impulse, there is little to no motion, therefore no electricity.
2. The ghosts, as the popular belief has it, it is a consistent body that takes a specific form. If ghosts are the result of electron movement remaining from former body activity, what keeps the particles in that specific shape ? There would have to be some sort of electromagnetic field that would keep them that way ( the electromagnetic field is also a product of electricity, so no source = no field = no electric current = no magnetic + electric induction ).

tl;dr : Ghosts cannot exist as remnants of former brain/body activity.

p.s. : correct me if my physics is wrong.

Cinorjer

I'm disappointed. The website drastically misrepresents science in completely getting wrong what is meant by conservation of energy but never once mentions the word "quantum". If someone is going to make a hash out of real science in support of their metaphysical beliefs, least they can do is get with the times.

federica

so.... @Cinorjer.....you're not convinced then....?

Bekenze

The brain: generates conscious and generates electrical activity.

Destroy the generator and then what happens?

vinlyn

I'm completely open-minded about whether ghosts/spirits exist. There are time I have suspected it, but at no time have I seen what for me would be proof.

But that fact that Einstein had a particular opinion about it, or that his theories seemed to point in that direction...irrelevant to me.

Brian

Just a side note: the electrical energy in the body is converted to heat and kinetic energy. Upon death, heat dissipates into the air surrounding the body. That's where the energy goes. Otherwise, a dead body would remain warm, and require the ingestion of brains to continue functioning. There are several books and movies about this phenomenon.

Jeffrey

The brain: generates conscious and generates electrical activity.

Destroy the generator and then what happens?

As to the brain generating consciousness this is a little murky. Seems quite a good assumption on one hand, but it is an assumption.

We know:

1) I am conscious
2) I have a brain
3) When a person's brain is destroyed they die


What we don't know:

A) Is consciousness destroyed at death?
Is consciousness conditional or dependent on a brain?
I think the buddhism I am familiar with would say no to A and yes to B

We also know things such as drugs affect the brain which affects consciousness. Same with food and experiences. But that doesn't prove the brain has an exclusive contract on consciousness and also something more might be within consciousness than we think. My teacher says that the boundaries of a being are only created within thinking. Which is to say that we really don't know what a being is I think this is interwoven with non-self.

But as to the question I encourage people to dig deeper within the question of what the mind is. Buddhism has precepts and an eightfold path but part of that 8fold path is right view and this would include understanding what the mind *is*.

zen_world

The brain: generates conscious and generates electrical activity.

Destroy the generator and then what happens?

Brain itself is just a thought...

aura

Human beings have their existence simultaneously on more than 4 dimensions.

person

Otherwise, a dead body would remain warm, and require the ingestion of brains to continue functioning.

I have to take serious issue with this statement. I know that zombies need brains but I never heard that the bodies remain warm. In fact, in World War Z: An Oral History of the Zombie War people flee to colder climates because the zombies freeze during the winter. :buck:

federica

Human beings have their existence simultaneously on more than 4 dimensions.

I'm sorry.....?

Elaborate....?

Dakini

I agree with NomaD Buddha that it's body chemistry and the brain that generate electricity, so when the body dies, the generators die. Spirits don't have to be electrical phenomena, they can be some kind of consciousness phenomena. However, we've seen other members post that they've had electrical experiences in the presence of spirits. So I don't know. So much more study needs to be done of this sort of thing.

I thought the article's paragraphs on positive and negative ions helpful. I remember discussions about negative ions and health and the body's electromagnetic field, when a lot of members somehow didn't believe there was such a thing as negative ions. That was a long time ago, but it just goes to show how important science education is.

Otherwise, a dead body would remain warm, and require the ingestion of brains to continue functioning.

I must be missing something. This is a joke, right?

Jeffrey

I must be missing something. This is a joke, right?

Dakini

NomaDBuddha

1/ Spirits don't have to be electrical phenomena, 2/ they can be some kind of consciousness phenomena.

1. They don't have to be of electric nature. Ok. But, if they exists and we can see them, they have to exist within the laws of nature ( 'physics' sounds a bit cold, empty and harsh at this time for me), laws that all things that exist have to 'obey'. What I'm saying is that if ghost phenomena existed, we could have gained a way to predict it and somehow see it 'for real'.

2. This would be another way to study a lot of weird things, you know ? The consciousness...

Iktomi

I've seen Einstein's ghost. How ironic!

Dakini

I think spirit phenomena currently exist outside of our limited scientific knowledge. But advances in quantum physics seem to be opening up possibilities for understanding. We just have to wait while the scientists work it out.

SpinyNorman2

A) Is consciousness destroyed at death?
Is consciousness conditional or dependent on a brain?
I think the buddhism I am familiar with would say no to A and yes to B

Fair comment. And traditionally in Buddhism there are descriptions of beings in the formless realms, which sounds like what we call a "ghost".

Spooky Spiny

DaltheJigsaw

Human beings have their existence simultaneously on more than 4 dimensions.

Yep! Maybe even more.

IronRabbit

Human beings have their existence simultaneously on more than 4 dimensions.

I'm sorry.....?

Elaborate....?

Here we go again....wheeeeeeee!