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The Great Thing About Having Been Poor!

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  • It truly is a great thing to know poverty. It helps cultivate compassion.
  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    I will agree with this. I was raised quite poor, but my ex for example, had been raised with a much higher standard of living. She still needs to have the biggest and best things, actually. She makes way more money than me, lives at home, but when we go out... she has no money to spend, says that her credit cards are maxed out, etc. It's odd.
    It caused a lot of problems for us when we were a couple, trying to figure out how to live together and what were our necessities... A pool and gym just weren't on my list like an extra $100 in my pocket every month was, lol.
  • I may never earn a million dollars but I hope the 2 stretches in life where I have struggled for a few years will help me see what I really don't need when I am earning more.
  • @everyone if you had two choices and could only pick one, what would it be?

    A. Be a billionaire for the rest of your life but with no inner spiritual life.

    B. Be a Pauper for the rest of your life but with a deep well of spiritual wisdom

    ...no, there is no option c. Lol
  • Alison, tough one...but I'd have to go with the money. I could buy my dream car, live in a traditional Japanese house in Hokkaido and set up a foundation that rivals the Gates one. I'd rather suffer and help others.
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited March 2012
    She makes way more money than me, lives at home, but when we go out... she has no money to spend, says that her credit cards are maxed out, etc. It's odd.
    No, it's manipulative. She's a cheapskate, and not a real friend. (Why would she agree to go out if she has no money to spend? Most people in that circumstance politely decline. Clearly, she's planning on taking advantage of her friends.) How sad for her.

  • I would say I am probably the poorest person on here, and I prefer it when I have less money than when I have some money.
  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    She makes way more money than me, lives at home, but when we go out... she has no money to spend, says that her credit cards are maxed out, etc. It's odd.
    No, it's manipulative. She's a cheapskate, and not a real friend. (Why would she agree to go out if she has no money to spend? Most people in that circumstance politely decline. Clearly, she's planning on taking advantage of her friends.) How sad for her.

    She's really not that bad, I didn't mean to make her sound that way. Honestly, I see her more as a victim of her addiction. She lives at home and says she cannot afford to move out, yet, she just bought a giant 3D TV? Hm. We dated for three years, have been friends for longer now, I've seen a lot of her issues with this. She really isn't happy unless she has things to be happy about. This sounds like a horrible judgement, but when we were dating, I really just wanted to shake her because I'm the complete opposite. You should have seen the suffering she experienced the first time she scratched her car... oh man. It actually made me thankful that I drive a POS so I don't have to worry so much. :D

    L_A, I think that's a pretty easy question. B, for me. I haven't been around that long, but I know enough to know that money can't buy happiness.
  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    I would say I am probably the poorest person on here, and I prefer it when I have less money than when I have some money.
    I believe a very wise philosopher once said, "Mo' money, mo' problems." :lol:
  • I live a pretty frugal life. I don't have much money coming in but then again I don't ever feel the need to "possess" stuff. I've already said that I cook everything from scratch and save the extra, I buy most of my clothes from second hand stores and I never throw anything out until it has truly died a death. I love "finding" stuff, re-making stuff, rummaging in skips for stuff and most of all get really quite animated at the simple things in life because they all have meaning. Keep it simple is my motto!
  • I can count the things that are worth something over 20 dollars on one hand. I have no fridge, washing machine, TV, games console, vacume cleaner, any mode of transport, and a very slective and short range of clothing. But I do not wish I to have anymore than I already have.

    And yes @zombie girl, that famous philosopher Biggie Smalls :p his own name was a paradox, what a G (I mean genius).
  • Oh man, couldn't survive without my trusty bicycle.
  • You have legs... and of course public transport. But I am sure you do not mean in literal terms lol.
  • Of course! I do actually walk a lot but my bike is..... well........my bike! ;)
  • I don't know about you guys, but money brings a good deal of temporal happiness to me. I've been broke before. Left high school with $14. It wasn't fun, believe me! I didn't take the lesson of "compassion" from it, I'll admit. But I did take the lesson that very hard work and determination would get me far, and it has.

    Having money allows me security of mind (not having to worry about where the next meal comes from), and I can pursue some of my more expensive hobbies with ease.
  • To each their own, everybody has different morals, different extents they can go to and different desires, or none at all. I have been broke several times, recently not ebing able to feed myself properly, but I was fully content. It taught a lot, a lot of my insights into life have come from times where I have had literally nothing.

    "Temporal hapiness" yes, as the Dalai Lama describes this is what people acheive when they operate under ignorance, mere breaks from dukkha and not a decent solution to suffering. It continues with the next material object or the next moment you are looking forward to and the next person which will make everything better.
  • This week I have appreciated money. It has been crazy with more late nights since I have been covering other community schools and I don't think I cooked at home once. One night my daughter cooked. To be able to do that without spending an hour catching up the checkbook to the last penny or driving cross town to the saving account (across town for a reason) was huge and reduced a lot of stress.

    But then I go back and am happy with what I have and my one fancy treat (fake nails, so nice and otherwise I bite mine). It is all good.
  • From my experience, once you have become broke, when you are struggling to even feed yourself, you learn things about yourself, about life, about how the mind works and what is important. This is an area where I do put my monk hat on, or shall I say take it off and shave my head. We all take the dharma to different extremes.
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    Thanks everyone! For sharing your beautiful stories!:)
  • @ThailandTom I don't completely shave my head, but I do keep it buzzed pretty short. It helps remind me of my path.
  • I thought about shaving my head during a panic attack last year...a la Britney spears.
    Wouldn't that be hot? Ask @Aheerdt.
  • I thought about shaving my head during a panic attack last year...a la Britney spears.
    Wouldn't that be hot? Ask @Aheerdt.
    lol, I bet you are glad you didn't, it would have been a crime to do such a thing to jet black hair like that! Maybe in some weird state it probably is :lol:
  • Hmm, well Britney didn't look so good.

    I however had a very cute partially shaved head (under a bob) and did it in a bathroom near the venue that was a movie theatre back in day (for Rocky Horror Picture Show every week) and now is a pretty decent place for concerts. Too bad my parents did not take pictures of my phase.
  • lol, at uni we were doing research and had to look through fashion and design magazines, I came across an article where they took 5 models and shaved their heads and took a foto of them in a line. It was quite strange to see, but it shouldn't really, I mean it is only hair right?
  • My baby, about 4 years ago
  • cool I must say, was that just a phase, or is there still a streak of anarchy that runs through? Also, what products were used to keep that length of hair up?
  • It is not a phase, I kinda hate that phrase. I supposedly went through a 'punky phase' to my family but even though I dress better and keep the attitude in check I pretty much have many of the same attitudes.

    It is hard to raise kids who have been taught they have a say in their lives some days, better in the long run but geez, trying to get them to take out the trash turns into a philosophical argument.

    Lets see, we have used regular school glue, hard setting gel and a spray of the infamous aqua net. I should get some photos of when my daughter had hers 12 inches high and her tattooes. My middle kid and oldest have the facial peircings and stuff, okay middle kid is making her mowhawk into dreads and it looks really funny.
  • I grew up on a farm and both of my parents worked long hours. So I was taking care of the house, made sure the livestock was taken care of before and after school everyday from a very young age. We lived pretty minimal and I was a very happy child. I have always been very content with very little material items, but I have always felt very blessed. How I ended up marrying a guy that was all about money is beyond me. Still he bought expensive toys and I don't recall ever seeing him smile, while I watch and played with the kids almost always smiling.
    Since our split up, there have been a few times that food was a little scarce in the house, but as long as I have enough money to feed the kids, keep a roof over their head in a safe neighborhood, and keep them clothed and all that, then I can still smile and be happy. I maybe a little tired and worn out sometimes but happy.
    However, I am still considering minimizing our lives even more, and take my son on the road, living in a RV to see some of the more beautiful parts and people of the world. City life and the rat race here is so depressing, and it seems my children have never truly felt happy.
    (My daughter is 21, so unless she wants to come along it will just be me and her brother.)
  • I have never seen a mowhawk turne dinto dreads before lol... I had a friend at school who grey some liberty spikes and he used glue mainly on his hair. All of the hair spray and products you can buy did nothing to help, so we got out the old PVA glue. Then we painted them.
  • @MsJeni that sounds like a really cool idea if your son is up for it. What better way to see and live parts of your country than with your son, it would be a bonding time to say the least. I hope it becomes a reality :)
  • The things you don't realize until your kid has a really tall mowhawk is that it will not fit in a car. Plus they got busted at school for 'extreme haircuts'. Now he is at the art school and no one cares so he grew it out.
  • lol, you sound like a cool mum @AHeerdt, makes a change from the cliche mums you will see packing their kids into the car hehe
  • @ThailandTom It was my son's idea, pointing out all the good it would do him. LOL he is a very inquisitive and exploitative little boy, and very outside the box thinker. Apparently that isn't very acceptable in public school or big cities. He never did anything to hurt anyone, but he doesn't behave the way all the other kids do either.
    I personally had always planned on living in an RV after the kids were grown and on their own, but they didn't know that. I am not very good at staying in the same place very long. In fact we have live here 5 years, which was the longest I have ever lived anywhere since I left the farm at 19, and joined the Navy.
  • Isn't the formula to make those spikes, egg whites and glue?
  • @ThailandTom It was my son's idea, pointing out all the good it would do him. LOL he is a very inquisitive and exploitative little boy, and very outside the box thinker. Apparently that isn't very acceptable in public school or big cities. He never did anything to hurt anyone, but he doesn't behave the way all the other kids do either.
    I personally had always planned on living in an RV after the kids were grown and on their own, but they didn't know that. I am not very good at staying in the same place very long. In fact we have live here 5 years, which was the longest I have ever lived anywhere since I left the farm at 19, and joined the Navy.
    Just from reading this, it sounds like you have done some interesting things and been to some interestng places in your life so far. I know people back in England who will be doing the same thing they were doing when I left, and may even be doing the same things in 10 years time!
  • @Msjeni...my husband and I looked into getting a camper last year. We really struggled with the idea of traveling like gypsis all over the us...but Dream went out the window with this job he's got. Maybe later. I love nature, camping, and foraging but RV living is a huge step.

    @Thailandtom...(blush) I won't cut it. You know how panic attacks can be. Its been exactly 3 months since my last crazy episode...
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    The great thing about having been poor IMO is the having been part, meaning now having money. :D
  • @Lady_Alison Well, RV is much different than a camper. You can live as civilized or as rough as you want really. Now days, the RV facilities range from no support to luxury resort level stuff. I figure most of the time we will at least be in facilities that will have power. I do online homeschooling with my son and I work via the internet, so we at minimum have to stay connected enough to civilization for that.

    @ThailandTom I have gotten to do some wonderful things. I am those things will come up over time. No point in spilling all my mysteries in one night.
  • @MsJeni well if you do the RV thing and pass through Colorado let me know. I have older kids and a very long driveway.
  • If I really think about my personality, the possible situations and choices that would arise, I think I would prefer living how I was now rather than having a Million pounds in my account. I know my gf would want what a lot of people want if they come into money,new house, new funiture, new things blablabla, I dare say I may fall into the trap, but there is that side of me which may be brought out by money when it comes to wanting to get not so sober. A monk was giving a speech and he was astonished at how people these days still think lots of money can make you truely happy. Yes you can have food, a house etc, essentials, but people things that having this money, this status and material things will make them happy. From what I have seen it dose the opposite.
  • @AHeerdt Thank you for the invite I'll keep it in mind. I only live a state southwest of ya. :)
    How old are older kids? My little one isn't really all that little he is 12, and eldest is 21.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    The great thing about having been poor IMO is the having been part, meaning now having money. :D
    I'd have to agree with this.
    My husband and i are still on the poverty level... and now we have his 16-year-old son living with us, who has known 3 holidays abroad, a year, with his mum, skiing and whatnot.... he has none of that now, and i think he misses that.....

    I've just been paid, and already, I'm overdrawn.
    I can't think of anything really good about being poor, except that even with money, I've been shit-scared of spending it, and have become obsessively frugal....
    All my clothes are second hand, and i feel guilty even window shopping.

  • The great thing about having been poor IMO is the having been part, meaning now having money. :D
    I'd have to agree with this.
    My husband and i are still on the poverty level... and now we have his 16-year-old son living with us, who has known 3 holidays abroad, a year, with his mum, skiing and whatnot.... he has none of that now, and i think he misses that.....

    I've just been paid, and already, I'm overdrawn.
    I can't think of anything really good about being poor, except that even with money, I've been shit-scared of spending it, and have become obsessively frugal....
    All my clothes are second hand, and i feel guilty even window shopping.

    I really think it depends on the person, I love being poor. I embrace having nothing of any value apart from this computer, life is simpler. Yes the roof over my head is paid for, but at times food is scarce, yet I am still content.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    i think it just has to be looked at relative to personal situations.
    I'm not going to get into a "I'm poorer than you" 'pissing contest' because i do agree that much of it is personal perception, and perspective.
    there may be something to be said about the fact that in some places, it's 'easier' to be poorer, than in others....
    Karen Kingston, a Fengh Shui and space-clearing guru, lives I think in Bali, for 6 months of the time... and in the UK the other half of the year.
    in the UK, she lives in a 2-bedroom, Victorian mid-terrace house in Barnes, with a back garden, and a drive to put her car on....
    In Bali, she lives in a one room shack with her B/F, who rents scooters out to tourists in the summer, and they spend their whole time on the beach, living on fresh-caught fish, and local produce....
    she adapts her lifestyle according to where she is, and says that life is much simpler, in Bali, and more 'baggaged' in London.

    I guess it depends then, on being able to take in a broader perspective.
    I take your point @ThailandTom, I truly do, but I'm just wondering whether our different lifestyles and environments might also be a factor of ease or difficulty....
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    i think it just has to be looked at relative to personal situations.
    I'm not going to get into a "I'm poorer than you" 'pissing contest' because i do agree that much of it is personal perception, and perspective.
    there may be something to be said about the fact that in some places, it's 'easier' to be poorer, than in others....
    Karen Kingston, a Fengh Shui and space-clearing guru, lives I think in Bali, for 6 months of the time... and in the UK the other half of the year.
    in the UK, she lives in a 2-bedroom, Victorian mid-terrace house in Barnes, with a back garden, and a drive to put her car on....
    In Bali, she lives in a one room shack with her B/F, who rents scooters out to tourists in the summer, and they spend their whole time on the beach, living on fresh-caught fish, and local produce....
    she adapts her lifestyle according to where she is, and says that life is much simpler, in Bali, and more 'baggaged' in London.

    I guess it depends then, on being able to take in a broader perspective.
    I take your point @ThailandTom, I truly do, but I'm just wondering whether our different lifestyles and environments might also be a factor of ease or difficulty....
    Great questions! Thanks for sharing!
  • @federica yes the life style, age and where I live probably all contribrute to the fact that I enjoy living like a poor ass here. But it has always made me think of seeing those kids who live in tribes or the people in remote places, they have nothing material and just live, they always seem happy and content, I wonder what the suicide rate is in those communities?
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    My baby, about 4 years ago
    Your kids are lucky they have you as a mom. I don't know any other mom that would allow that. A friend of mine said that she picks her battles very carefully with her kids. Some stuff isn't worth fighting over.

  • thanks @dakini, I did mything back in the day but no one took photos! I should find some more of my kids. I was working on our family album and dedicated a few pages to 'look mom I dressed myself'
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    @federica yes the life style, age and where I live probably all contribrute to the fact that I enjoy living like a poor ass here. But it has always made me think of seeing those kids who live in tribes or the people in remote places, they have nothing material and just live, they always seem happy and content, I wonder what the suicide rate is in those communities?
    Good question! My question what do they do to keep themselves busy?
  • @LeonBasin who? You mean me, me and my partner, Thai people or poor people in general?
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