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Big Bang Abandoned in New Model of the Universe

suopohesuopohe
edited March 2012 in Philosophy
http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/25492/

Big Bang Abandoned in New Model of the Universe

A new cosmology successfully explains the accelerating expansion of the universe without dark energy; but only if the universe has no beginning and no end.

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Comments

  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    Sounds fascinating, but my eyes glazed over after the first 3 paragraphs. Hopefully there'll be some science videos coming out, explaining it.
  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    Sounds fascinating, but my eyes glazed over after the first 3 paragraphs. Hopefully there'll be some science videos coming out, explaining it.
    lol that made me laugh, and it gave me a funny image in my head also. But thanks for posting @suopohe and kudos to Wun-Yi Shu, sounds like someone may have quite a promising career ahead of them.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    This will blow my step-son's mind... when those controlling the Hadron collider, announced that they'd found 'something' that travelled faster than light - he dismissed the idea as a freak discovery - and all his friends at school argued with him until they were blue in the face.
    when the announcement came that in effect they'd been a bit hasty and might have made a mistake - he felt vindicated, and won the admiration of many of his school peers....
    He will enjoy reading this....
    I did.
    And as I'm really probably the High Doofus of all technical Doofii, I'm strangely pleased i got past paragraph 3!! :D
  • cazcaz Veteran United Kingdom Veteran
    Hmmm now isn't it written in Buddhist texts that Samsaric phenomena is without beginning and that the universe is cyclic ? :)
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    amazing, isn't it?
    Not a discovery - just confirmation......
  • cazcaz Veteran United Kingdom Veteran
    edited March 2012
    amazing, isn't it?
    Not a discovery - just confirmation......
    Yup, Just goes to say what non contaminate clairvoyance can show you.

  • TalismanTalisman Veteran
    groovy
  • B5CB5C Veteran
    Hmmm now isn't it written in Buddhist texts that Samsaric phenomena is without beginning and that the universe is cyclic ? :)

    Christians, Muslims, Hindus, and many others can claim the same reasons for proving their faiths.

    Also note, this is a new idea. This guy would need more evidence to support his theory. Right now there is are TONS of evidence supporting the big bang theory as of now.



  • SabreSabre Veteran
    edited March 2012
    Hmmm now isn't it written in Buddhist texts that Samsaric phenomena is without beginning and that the universe is cyclic ? :)
    ‘There comes a time, Vasettha, when, sooner or later after a long period this world contracts. At a time of contraction, beings are mostly born in the Abhassara Brahma world. And there they dwell, mind-made, feeding on delight, self luminous, moving through the air, glorious—and they stay like that for a very long time. But sooner or later, after a very long period, this world begins to expand again. [..]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_evolution
    Interesting. But there are also theories wherein there is a big bang, followed by expansion, followed by contraction, followed by a new big bang. So the universe being cyclic is not really a totally new concept. However, as far as I know evidence lacks for all current theories of what exactly the big bang was and if there was anything before it, so they are all about just as valid from a scientific point of view.
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    Truly an amazing read. Thank you!
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    Science is having a problem getting down to the singularity in the big bang theory. They can postulate something immensely hot and immensely dense but they can't quite figure out infinitely hot and infinitely dense. They also can't quite get to the beginning causally only a few nanoseconds after. So right now they still kind of need one miracle and then they can explain the rest. There are some other theories which use multiverse, quantum fluctuations, an infinitely expanding and contracting universe and others. There was a good Horizon video on this but its down now.
  • suopohesuopohe
    edited March 2012
    Cyclic model of the universe:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_model
    http://seedmagazine.com/content/article/a_cyclic_universe/

    It's just a possibility that the universe doesn't have to have a beginning. I just learned the the big bang theory doesn't say big bang was the beginning of the universe. It's just a theory that the current universe expanded from a dense, hot and relatively small universe.
    It's Just for fun reading.
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited March 2012
    Right. There's the theory that there have been infinite expansions and contractions. Imagine what it would be like to live in a contracting universe. I wonder -- that would probably mean much of physics as we know it would be reversed, or radically different, anyway. ...?
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    Bertrand Russel wrote, "There is no reason to suppose the world had a beginning at all. The idea that things have a beginning is due to the poverty of our imaginations."

    Meaning that the hard part of a beginningless universe is imagining it. But the problem with a universe where something comes from nothing is logic, ie. a first cause. So either the universe is beginningless or God was the first cause.
  • Telly03Telly03 Veteran
    Time and space is a concept created in our mind, which I concede is not reality... so now I have no problem accepting that any belief, constructed from our filtered and shallow collection of experiences, that suggests that everything has to have a beginning and end, is also not a reality.
  • genkakugenkaku Northampton, Mass. U.S.A. Veteran
    I certainly enjoyed reading this, but you have to understand that I live in the United States, a place where sentient beings often argue seriously about creationism and the literal Bible. Using the intellect ain't where we're at, so to speak. To give you some sense of our accomplishments, this was passed along in email yesterday:

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    :)
  • MountainsMountains Veteran
    Right. Imagine what it would be like to live in a contracting universe.
    Come to where I live. At least that's how it feels intellectually. Evolution doesn't exist, global climate change doesn't exist, black is white, and day is night. Oh, and the earth is flat and is the center of the universe.
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