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Very new to Buddhism, my initial questions. (temple/funeral)


Good afternoon.

After 30 years of searching, I found myself, and place in Buddhism. The school, or path I am walking is that of Mahayana, and the Zen tradition.

Although it has only been the last few days, I made my personal declaration to become a practising Buddhist within this school/tradition I have so many questions, but would like to start with just a couple, although some may find these initial two questions odd:

1) I live in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. There are only two temples here, they are as follows:

http://chinyintemple.ca/english/

and

Ratachatham Temple-Thai Buddhist Temple


I do not believe either of these are "Zen" nor teach Zen buddhism, but do you think it would be wise for me to attend these temples or one of them as it would be "better than nothing". Also how much of a difference do you think the teachings between these two, and Zen, would be? I suppose my point here is that if one of these temples is close to Mahayana-Zen would to be worth in fact taking up there school as at least that way I would have a support group, teachers, and a temple in which to be apart of!? I hope that all makes sense!!


2) As odd as this is, Zen, and most schools and traditions of buddhism have there own funeral guidelines. Now if I walk the Mahayana-Zen path on my own how will my funeral be conducted. Yes my wife will no my beliefs, but she is not Buddhist. I suppose my question here is how will I be able to go about having a traditional Buddhist funeral if I am not part of a temple to conduct burial rites/rituals/service.

Thanks,

Comments

  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    Welcome to the forum. IMO the first temple looks mostly like its for native Chinese? buddhists. Also the introduction states that its 'true' Buddhism and only has books from one teacher in its library, so my opinion is to stay away from that one. IDK about the second one, they don't have a web page so I'd assume it doesn't really cater to westerners and Thai Buddhism is Theravada, nothing wrong with that but its not quite the same as Mahayana or Zen. In a city like Edmonton there ought to be other places that westerners attend, try searching meditation centers instead or zen centers.

    As to number two, I have no clue about funeral ceremonies. I always assumed I would have a Christian burial since all my family is Christian and that would make them comfortable. After all I'd be dead and it wouldn't really matter to me anymore. I think in order to have some kind of Buddhist funeral you would need to be involved with a center that has native Asian teachers.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    I have no idea what 'traditional' Buddhist funeral you're speaking of, but much will depend on what the law states you may do, in the country you live.

    Buddhism may know different schools and traditions, but all traditions start with the 4 Noble Truths, The 8Fold Path and the 5 precepts.
    visit the temples.
    You have much to gain and nothing to lose.
  • Thanks so far guys. Federica,

    For example, if i wanted a funeral such as this, how would one go around it, living in a city where there are no temples, or Zen buddhists. I suppose the question is, how do you arrange your funeral plans for yourself in an area that doesn't accommodate Buddhism?


    http://tanutech.com/japan/jfunerals.html
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    Just googled Edmonton meditation centre and Edmonton Zen centre and came up with a bunch of stuff.

    Here's one link to a Zen centre: http://www.serenereflections.ca/
  • Than you Person, I appreciate you looking, and finding this for me!!

    This one must have escaped my google search!

    I also found this one, which looks interesting!


    http://www.edmonton.shambhala.org/index.php
  • BonsaiDougBonsaiDoug Simply, on the path. Veteran
    If you do not find a temple in the tradition you'd like to follow, don't hesitate to leave a living will with instructions to contact one of the local temples in the event of your death. I strongly doubt a Monk or Priest would deny attending to your funeral in at least a Buddhist manner.

    Large hospitals, and even the military have Buddhist Chaplins, and there certainly is no way they could cover all the flavors of Buddhism. While you may not be able to get exactly what you want, you would in all likelihood be a able to get a Monk or Zen priest to attend to you in a Buddhist fashion.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    As for the funeral, it really depends what precisely you want.
    I mean, for example, i would say a sky burial is pretty much out of the question.
    so you need to formulate exactly what you want - then ask a lawyer whether it would be feasible.
    work on a compromise, should you have to - then make a will.
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    edited April 2012
    As for the funeral, it really depends what precisely you want.
    I mean, for example, i would say a sky burial is pretty much out of the question.
    so you need to formulate exactly what you want - then ask a lawyer whether it would be feasible.
    work on a compromise, should you have to - then make a will.
    Yeah, there simply aren't enough open spaces around anymore, or buzzards. Instead I'd arrange for a friend to hack you up and throw your bits out into the street. :crazy:
  • Invincible_summerInvincible_summer Heavy Metal Dhamma We(s)t coast, Canada Veteran
    Than you Person, I appreciate you looking, and finding this for me!!

    This one must have escaped my google search!

    I also found this one, which looks interesting!


    http://www.edmonton.shambhala.org/index.php
    Shambhala is more along the lines of Vajryana (Tibetan/Nepalese) Buddhism, not that similar to Zen.
  • seeker242seeker242 Zen Florida, USA Veteran
    edited April 2012


    http://chinyintemple.ca/english/


    From looking at it, it looks like this temple is a zen temple of the Japanese Obaku Zen sect perhaps. The Obaku sect is one of three sects of Japanese zen, with the other 2 being Soto and Rinzai. Obaku sect is a Chan lineage of Línji. It was founded by Chin Yin-yuan, a Chinese Linji Chan monk. It may or may not be an Obaku zen temple, but it appears as if it may be, since it's named after the founder. :) If so, Obaku is generally described as a combination of zen and pure land. Which is how Korean zen is described also. I would go and check it out. :) Traditions that are zen/pure land combinations are good IMO.

    Edit: So I looked it up and found that it's actually a temple of the "True Buddha School".
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Buddha_School Founded in the late 1980s by Lu Sheng-yen. Appears to be an offshoot of Vajrayana or Tibetan, which makes sense since they offer Tantrayana group practice.
  • Invincible_summerInvincible_summer Heavy Metal Dhamma We(s)t coast, Canada Veteran
    edited April 2012


    http://chinyintemple.ca/english/


    From looking at it, it looks like this temple is a zen temple of the Japanese Obaku Zen sect perhaps. The Obaku sect is one of three sects of Japanese zen, with the other 2 being Soto and Rinzai. Obaku sect is a Chan lineage of Línji. It was founded by Chin Yin-yuan, a Chinese Linji Chan monk. It may or may not be an Obaku zen temple, but it appears as if it may be, since it's named after the founder. :) If so, Obaku is generally described as a combination of zen and pure land. Which is how Korean zen is described also. I would go and check it out. :) Traditions that are zen/pure land combinations are good IMO.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Rinzai also from Linji lineage?

    I also support going to a Chan/Pure Land temple - but "beware" as many Chan temples are Chan/Pure Land, but not all pure Land temples include Chan practice!

    @Lookingformyway
    Sunday Activities

    10:00am - Introduction to Buddhism
    11:30am - Tantrayana Group Practice
    12:30pm - Dharma Talks
    1:00pm - Vegetarian Meal
    "Tantrayana" is another name for Vajrayana. It seems like it's a Chinese Vajrayana temple (which is pretty uncommon I think). And judging from some of their pics, it looks like they have Vajrayana-style mandalas, pictures, and aesthetics in the temple.

    The monks' robes are also not the ones I'm used to seeing Chinese Chan monks wearing (usually all grey or yellow, more flowing).

    Seems like Edmonton has a lot of Vajrayana temples... I guess the climate is similar or something? Are there lots of Central Asian immigrants in edmonton?
  • seeker242seeker242 Zen Florida, USA Veteran
    edited April 2012
    I made an edit cause I was looking it up, see above. :) The True Buddha School is essentially a "Guru practice" style with the Guru being Lu Sheng-yen. Definitely not zen style. :) I got the idea from the name, the temple is named after the founder of the Obaku sect. Yes, it appears as if it's is a chinese Vajrayana
  • ToshTosh Veteran
    @Lookingformyway This is the first time I've ever read a post with someone whose new to Buddhism and asking about their funeral procedure.

    It's great that you realise you're impermanent; I recently read Kadampa monks used to turn their bowls upside down before they went to sleep (usually this was only done when a monk died), and rejoiced when they woke up that they were still alive.

    But for someone new to Buddhism, is everything ok?
  • Invincible_summerInvincible_summer Heavy Metal Dhamma We(s)t coast, Canada Veteran
    edited April 2012
    @seeker242 Got it! I'll edit my post to reflect this mutual understanding
  • genkakugenkaku Northampton, Mass. U.S.A. Veteran
    @lookingformyway -- Welcome. Hope you find something useful here.

    Since you say you are new to practice, don't be shy about checking things out. It's one thing to read a book and decide to be a Zen or any other Buddhist and actually finding out what different centers might be like. It's your practice rather than your belief system that is likely to make a difference in your life. So before you drop dead and have the perfect ritual, I do hope you will investigate a number of centers/temples. Who knows, you may find you were actually cut out for Zoroastrianism. :)
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    If you do die and have a Buddhist funeral, let us all know how it was so we can decide if its for us or not. :buck:
  • jlljll Veteran
    1st of all, i will challenge your choice of zen.
    you obviously know very little about buddhism.
    i would suggest you gather more info 1st.
    IMO, ZEN is just terribly confusing.
    i would recomend you check out people like ajahn brahm.

    Good afternoon.

    After 30 years of searching, I found myself, and place in Buddhism. The school, or path I am walking is that of Mahayana, and the Zen tradition.

    Although it has only been the last few days, I made my personal declaration to become a practising Buddhist within this school/tradition I have so many questions, but would like to start with just a couple, although some may find these initial two questions odd:

    1) I live in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. There are only two temples here, they are as follows:

    http://chinyintemple.ca/english/

    and

    Ratachatham Temple-Thai Buddhist Temple


    I do not believe either of these are "Zen" nor teach Zen buddhism, but do you think it would be wise for me to attend these temples or one of them as it would be "better than nothing". Also how much of a difference do you think the teachings between these two, and Zen, would be? I suppose my point here is that if one of these temples is close to Mahayana-Zen would to be worth in fact taking up there school as at least that way I would have a support group, teachers, and a temple in which to be apart of!? I hope that all makes sense!!


    2) As odd as this is, Zen, and most schools and traditions of buddhism have there own funeral guidelines. Now if I walk the Mahayana-Zen path on my own how will my funeral be conducted. Yes my wife will no my beliefs, but she is not Buddhist. I suppose my question here is how will I be able to go about having a traditional Buddhist funeral if I am not part of a temple to conduct burial rites/rituals/service.

    Thanks,
  • jlljll Veteran
    as far as buddhist funeral is concerned, there are many people pretending
    to conduct buddhist funerals but out to make a quick buck.
    personally, if you can play the recording of some suttas eg metta sutta,
    that shd suffice.
  • Wait! are you dying? I mean faster or in more awareness than the rest of us. I just thought I would ask in case there is something wrong (too many cancers among my friends right now)
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited April 2012
    1st of all, i will challenge your choice of zen.
    you obviously know very little about buddhism.
    i would suggest you gather more info 1st.
    IMO, ZEN is just terribly confusing.
    i would recomend you check out people like ajahn brahm.
    Moderator note: @jll
    the choice of tradition is his, just as a choice of another tradition is yours.
    By all means suggest exploring other avenues, but do not assume the right to challenge anyone else's choice in the matter, or make sweeping assumptions.
    That's just a bit insulting.
  • Hi everyone.

    Sorry for my absense, and silence. I am still digesting everything that has been said. I am currently at work so can't write a long post (will respond more when I get home)

    However I did want to address those who are concerned with my well being as asking about my funeral at the start of my journey got some worried as to my health.

    I am ok, in fact I'm great! No sickness or health issues. The reason I ask about about my funeral etc is this:

    I have ALWAYS been terrified of dieing. I joined faiths with "god, gods &" goddess" due to my fear if death and wanting to beat it.

    For the first time in my life I do not fear death, nor am scared of the after death. In fact this is the first time I feel reassured by death. I ask about my funeral because when it happens, I wanted to know what my options are as a buddhist. But then I came to the conclusion with some help from the posts maybe I should allow my wife to have a catholic funeral for me! Why? Well she is catholic, and if this helps her deal with my passing, and gives her peace isn't that the selfless thing to do? Give her the peace she deserves rather than worrying about my self and what I want.

    Anyhow must go will respond more when home from work!

    Thank you everyone so far!

    Love

    Me
  • Also, the teacher I am very interested in, and "following" right now is a man called Thich Nhat Hanh, I am sure most are aware of him. Is he a good start?
  • Invincible_summerInvincible_summer Heavy Metal Dhamma We(s)t coast, Canada Veteran
    Also, the teacher I am very interested in, and "following" right now is a man called Thich Nhat Hanh, I am sure most are aware of him. Is he a good start?
    Yes, I'd say so. I find his teachings tends to be a bit... "hippie-ish" in tone (for the lack of a better term), but he's definitely worth "following."
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    he has an extraordinary history, and has over time, also combined Buddhism with a study and adherence to Christianity.
    but yes, he is a little... New age-ish for some...

  • jlljll Veteran
    TNH has a very good reputation.
    so no objections from me.
    i dont think he belongs to zen, though.
    Also, the teacher I am very interested in, and "following" right now is a man called Thich Nhat Hanh, I am sure most are aware of him. Is he a good start?
  • Invincible_summerInvincible_summer Heavy Metal Dhamma We(s)t coast, Canada Veteran
    TNH has a very good reputation.
    so no objections from me.
    i dont think he belongs to zen, though.
    Also, the teacher I am very interested in, and "following" right now is a man called Thich Nhat Hanh, I am sure most are aware of him. Is he a good start?
    Well, he's ordained in the Vietnamese Zen tradition, but his teachings tend to borrow from a few traditions, so I sort of see where you're coming from.
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