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Preparing For Death

ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
edited April 2012 in Buddhism Basics
So what can you do to prepare for death of those in your family who you are really quite close to? I remember Ajahn Brahm saying that he did not cry when his father died. This means one of two things, either his dad was sick for a while and he knew that his time was soon to come, or that Brahm was prepared mentally and knew that life was easy to take away. Either way, it takes quite a lot of mindfulness to not shed a tear when a close one dies, then again the guy is a monk so...

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  • ZaylZayl Veteran
    That I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. An event of this kind of magnitude isn't exactly something you can prepare 100% for. All you can do is just be aware that one day it will happen, and you just have to roll with it.
  • robotrobot Veteran
    It's normal to cry when someone close dies Tom.
    I think you can prepare for their death when it is expected, by spending time with them, being involved with the process.
    There was a lot of hands on managing for me and my siblings for many months before my mother died and it did not happen a moment too soon. Still, we cried as she passed away. Most people do.
    If a death is sudden and untimely, you pretty much have to take what ever comes in the way of grief. Not much you can do except be mindful of the feelings that wash over you.
  • chariramacharirama Veteran
    edited April 2012
    My ambition in life is to die well.
    I hope to be prepared and conscious for the most significant event of my life.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited April 2012
    I started a thread on this subject when my father died......

    http://newbuddhist.com/discussion/7856/here039s-one-for-you#Item_15
  • ZeroZero Veteran
    So what can you do to prepare for death of those in your family who you are really quite close to?
    Know that it will happen - spend your time with them wisely - prepare for your own death - armed with personal insight, be prepared to shed tears...
  • BonsaiDougBonsaiDoug Simply, on the path. Veteran
    edited April 2012
    As to some of my personal preparation, and the tradition I follow, I continue to read the following:

    "The Tibetan Book of the Dead: The Great Book of Natural Liberation Through Understanding in the Between" ~ Padma Sambhava (Compiler), Robert Thurman (Translator)

    "The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying" ~ Sogyal Rinpoche
    I believe this book can be an aid, irrespective of the tradition you may follow.
  • I guess I will have to get this book, I have heard of it before so thanks for the apt reminder of it Bonsai and Leon.

    @federica thank you very much for the re-post of that link, it was very useful to read and I respect how you have treated the situation with your father passing a lot. It was very is insightful just to read :)

    @Zero I understand what you are saying, but for example my mum I have not seen her for over 2 years now, and I am not likely to for a while. She has been offered a package to leave her job if she wants, she has sent off the letter saying she wants to take it after a lot of thinking and now it is up to the big boss. If so she said she would come and visit me wherever I happen to be. It is mainly my mum who I am scared of losing. I am quite attached to her, I know that. Emotionally and also because when she dies I am basically on my tod, alone. I have my GF but the rest of my family do not exist or care, I have an estranged father and I speak to my sister now and then. I have more recently tried building bridges, but they take a while to build after the reputation this black sheep has. The last thing that makes me sad even to think about now is how much of a supreme example of a decent human being my mum is, but she has been dealt some very unlucky cards in her life, and I know she suffers for it.
  • :( I know this feeling... i'm quite attached to my hubby as he is the only family I got! Slowly I've been embracing the fact that one day he will die... I only say this because statistically married men die before their wives and he is several years older.

    I've been managing on my own, trying to become less co-dependent and becoming more emotionally self-sufficient...maturity and dealing with my own death has played a part...and faith.

    I also spend a lot of time with the elderly and realize that we pretty much end up alone towards the end, specially if we grow to be really really old... but that's okay... I also try to nurture friendships wherever I can and they have become part of my ALison Clan/Tribe so it's like a family... maybe it's my innate ability to make friends with everyone but I would be happy too, in a foreign land by myself and find people there too...so don't fret.

    family isn't about bloodlines anyway... you'll have an oppurtunity to meet all kinds of wonderful people in your life that you may consider family or closer than family... after so many posts you have, talking about your dad, I don't really consider him your family...

    and your home right now is with your girlfriend... perhaps one day, maybe you will have a family of your own, natural or adoption...
  • hey, thanks for the post Alison. It made me see some things in a different light sor sure. I admire what you do for the elderly, I had an ex GF who worked in old peoples home so I know what the job entails.

    Yes my father, he really is not a father to me anymore and it has been that way for a long time. I would not be all that sad when he dies, I know that. I would have a sense of compassion for him in the sense I know deep down the guy is operating under delusion and ignorance, he doesn't know how to find happiness. But I would have more compassion for his most recent kids who have been thrown into chaos over his divorce, the 3rd major breakup. I really feel for those kids.

    I don't think I am going to live all that long, so I doubt I will outlive my friends, but my GF is 42 and I don't really think about the next 10-20 years to be honest. But my friend a the pharmacy joked around saying I would be lucky to reach 45-50. I know this myself though to be quite true.

    Thanks for the posts everyone, I need to buy some books as there is a list mounting up now :-/
  • Even though you are an pharmacopeia of all kinds of recreational drugs, considering your cavalier adolescence... you don't really suffer from any health problems that we know of aside from your anxiety disorder... you have cut down alot on the medication and are in many ways, reducing your sress..

    there is no reason to believe, you'll see 100... buddhist have a great way of managing stress as it is.

    But i've read that people have an innate ability to tell when they are going to die or how old... I will be a very old lady.. i have a very good healthy body...

    sigh... i will see all my friends die and probably marry quite alot! lol

  • Oh I can feel my body malfunctioning already at 23. I have a variety of pains and aches that change and there seems to be new ones a a monthly basis lol. I have done some serious damage from the age of 14-20. I would go into the details but I won't bother. What is done is done. Anyway, I do not fear death of myself to be honest, I use to fear it so much it was irrational. Now I am concerning about the death of a select few close to me. I feel that sometimes at night before sleeping I think about it, and the thoughts scare the hell out of me. But then I try to return to rational thinking, staying in the moment and realizing it is inevitable, that almost everyone goes through it.
  • you know... about your age, i started to feel my body go through some changes... some aches are normal.. at 23 my legs would fall asleep everytime I sat crosslegged and i'd wake up with more soreness than i did as a teen... you will get some adjustment... i think your early 20s are about adjusting physically and bracing for adulthood as you have already left the nest.
  • btw, you are up late... aint ya!
  • Btw, you gotta read "Little Prince" Antoine de Saint-Exupery... he sort of dies young, too.
  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    edited April 2012
    Could well be Alison, could well be. My legs fall asleep in the most basic of sitting positions lol. Hower I am pretty unhealthy if I am honest. I am not overweight, but I do not exrcise anymore. I use to be super healthy when I was in my early teens running cross country etc, but that soon changed. I am just thankful I stopp my crazy drug experimentations with a few close friends. I clocked up a little over 900 ecstasy pills in 4 years as one possible organ killer. I guess from here on it would be wise to really start treating the body as a temple.

    And yes, 240am I cannot sleep. That is another thing my sleeping is way out. I also have not forgotten the book, thanks :)
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    Tom, the human body replaces all its cells every 7 years. So by adopting a healthier lifestyle the body can recover, even moreso while still young.
  • 900!! You are lucky you still walking around!

    You seem quite healthy, but i think I wouldn't mind analysing your blood under a microscope...hm, that sounded like I was hitting on you!

    lol...atleast, in the nerdiest way possible! But @person is right... you could probably still run like you did.. your muscles will remember.

    Unless, perhaps, you are just tired of suffering in the world and don't want to live more than is necessary.. . you may be one of the few that is punished for living a crappy teenage life and now you will have to live until you are 113...

    if that's so, join the club! Only the good die young!
  • @person so it is 7 years for the entire cells of your body to replace themselves? That is quite remarkable, doe sthat mean that things like organ damage can be totally repaired along with a healthy diet? Also, I am wrong in saying that the liver is very good at repairing itself indeed?

    @Lady_Alison yes i took over 900 E's in about 4 years. Me and one friend were crazy with E, we use to keep count every weekend and at one point I was taking 12-16 a night. We use to take LSD and ketamine with it as well sometimes. But it is good to hear that one can redeem their body over a period of time. I will work towards that for sure. I already practice yoga now and then, time to get back to running me thinks. Thanks for the post people.
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    I'm not really sure of the details of how it works, that's just an interesting tidbit that gets around. I think also the body has a certain momentum, so just because cells are replaced doesn't mean they will automatically be replaced with healthy cells, but I think it does mean that the body can repair itself.

    Also some cells get replaced faster than others, the cells in the stomach lining, for example, replace themselves every 2 days.
  • robotrobot Veteran
    I agree with the others.
    At 23 you can be a strong as you want to be. Unless you have a disability of course.
    Don't let your past drug use be a cause to believe that you cannot succeed in being strong and healthy.
    I took all the drugs I could get my hands on as a teenager. Including huffing solvents and shooting speed and anything else that came along.
    In my twenties I took up judo and karate and got quite strong. In my thirties and forties I was focused on working and family life and my conditioning deteriorated. By my mid fifties I thought maybe I was getting arthritis because the stiffness and pain was getting worse. I was also getting over weight and soft.
    A year and a half ago I took up weight training and regular exercise. Now I am as strong as I have ever been and the pain is virtually gone. I actually feel better than I did at forty and I'm almost fifty seven.
    I figure that if I can keep it up I should be strong into my seventies, unless cancer gets me or an accident. That's what I am shooting for anyway.
    At your age you can really pack some muscle on if you try.
  • A little over a year ago I weight trained a bit, not body building but toning up. I did tone up quite well. I am not into going super sized, that IMO has a lot to do with the ego. But thanks for your story @robot very encouraging, and good luck with the future and your health.
    I use to huff solvents as well. Man we did some stupid things, me and my mate had this relationship where we were both wreck heads and use to egg each other on to do things. We smoked MDMA, he smoked a cigarette covered in marker pen one night because I suggested it. DMT, cocaine, 2ci 2cb, shrooms, I smoked crack once, then here in Thailand loads and loads of benzos which nearly killed me. Cough syrup, blah I won't go on, it is too shameful really. But I am glad it is passed that is for sure. Yes some times it was fun and spiritual, a closeness with friends like no other, but it really is not a way to live a life.

    But thanks on some inspiring words of comfort, there is hope!

    But yes, going back to topic, I will need to buy this book I have heard so much about, I have a list of books to purchase thanks to suggestions here :)
  • BonsaiDougBonsaiDoug Simply, on the path. Veteran
    edited April 2012
    If you don't discuss, meditate on, and prepare for your death now, then when?

    Just Google (or Bing) something like Buddhism and death, or meditation on death, and you'll find a lot of good stuff out there.
  • genkakugenkaku Northampton, Mass. U.S.A. Veteran
    Preparing for death is like preparing for life ... all but impossible.

    Just live well.
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    you know... about your age, i started to feel my body go through some changes... some aches are normal.. at 23 my legs would fall asleep everytime I sat crosslegged and i'd wake up with more soreness than i did as a teen... you will get some adjustment...
    Are you serious??! Aches and pains, and crossed legs falling asleep at 23??! I've never heard of that. I can't get my mind around that. What's really sad is to see college students who already are having back surgery.
    :' (

  • you know... about your age, i started to feel my body go through some changes... some aches are normal.. at 23 my legs would fall asleep everytime I sat crosslegged and i'd wake up with more soreness than i did as a teen... you will get some adjustment...
    Are you serious??! Aches and pains, and crossed legs falling asleep at 23??! I've never heard of that. I can't get my mind around that. What's really sad is to see college students who already are having back surgery.
    :' (

    The back surgery could be from the whole fad of wearing your backpack realy low down, or it just being too much of a heavy thing to carry around from day to day as a kid. I do have aches and pains in certain places, but to be honest my life style is not really full of exercise and things to test my bodys ability. I assume @LeonBasin can second the whole aches and pains thing :p
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    you know... about your age, i started to feel my body go through some changes... some aches are normal.. at 23 my legs would fall asleep everytime I sat crosslegged and i'd wake up with more soreness than i did as a teen... you will get some adjustment...
    Are you serious??! Aches and pains, and crossed legs falling asleep at 23??! I've never heard of that. I can't get my mind around that. What's really sad is to see college students who already are having back surgery.
    :' (

    I have back problems and I am about to be 27. It happens! Lol.
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    My problem was lifting weights when I was young. I did something wrong. :(
  • Realize we're all born as worm food and be OK with that.
  • ZeroZero Veteran
    You can try light weights to assist with back problems - many are caused by no back exercises at all whereas we work the front of our bodies more - this leads to weaker back muscles and imbalance in skeletal structure.

    deadlifts / squats / good mornings / lat exercises / backstroke / rowing are all good - start very very light - perfect form (using muscle and not ligaments so its a smaller range of motion) - build up with 2.5kg each week - one body part per day - about 3 exercises with 3 sets of 10-12 reps - I had back problems for ages esp after a car accident - chiropractors / phsio / doctors / shamanic faith healer you name it... it was the shaman who told me to do weights!! Worked for me - took about 2 years of slow progression 5 times a week - 10 years on and no painkillers, no soreness, no physio and no issues...
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