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Telepathy?

JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
edited May 2012 in General Banter
Has anyone heard of anyone having telepathy? If you were telapathic and discovered others who were the same... Wouldn't you want to prove it and start a clan of psychics? It could be the nobel prize and 'hogwarts' could be started.....

So do you think the above is proof that telepathy does not exist? Any ideas?

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  • FenixFenix Veteran
    this one guy Dr. Eric Berne M.D. talks in his book, psychoanalysis for layman, or something, about this. He suggests that it might be possible as a phenomena between two intimately related people who in a certain delicate state of mind spontaneously prouduce telepathy. He says If that were so, any scientific stress of a lab would destroy it. this was the jist of his theory.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    I think there is such a thing as a 'sixth sense' or a state of heightened intuition which all human are gifted with, but which they rarely or seldom rely on or use.
    we are so accustomed to seeing, listening and using logical evaluation to make our minds up, that we 'listen to our gut' to a much lesser extent than we sometimes should.
    My dog used to know, at least 20 minutes before he came home, that my husband was on his way - and his homecoming time was different every day, because he was a travelling computer engineer, and he never knew where his last job of the day was going to be.
    We are also equipped with a similar ability - but we tend to ignore it, or are ignorant of it at all. We rely on phones and clocks, they're so much easier.
    I'm constantly pre-empting what my husband is going to say, or what he would like....he keeps asking me "How did you know i wanted *that*...?"

    By a process of accessing my memory of his previous likes and dislikes, and other factors, I use my gut instinct, or intuition to guess at what he'd like now.
    it's really like putting 2 (cats) and 2 (mice) together and coming up with a probable yet extremely likely 2.
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited May 2012
    Read "Entangled Minds". It catalogues all the scientific experiments proving telepathy, and other psi phenomena. Written by a physicist.

    Being telepathic doesn't mean you can go around reading other people's minds at will. It means you can pick up on some people's thoughts some of the time (I've done that). But in the experiments discussed in the book above, subjects were able to send a message or image at will, and the person "receiving" was able to provide a reasonably accurate sketch of the image the person was sending. And there were experiments with cards, where the receiver picked up on the number or word (whatever) the subject was sending at odds that far exceeded chance.

    We all have psi abilities to some extent. It's a matter of tuning in (this is where meditation is helpful--stilling the analytical mind) and practicing the skill.
  • RichardHRichardH Veteran
    edited May 2012
    I had telepathic moments or incidents as a teenager, with certain people. Today there are other sychronistic things that happen from time to time. I don't doubt the siddhis, having just touched upon that sphere... that possibility. However I doubt any claim to telepathic powers, or siddhis.... and think it is a good idea to keep a wide berth around anyone making such claims.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    I'm talking like walkie-talkie type telapathic communications. Any ideas?
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    What....? :skeptic:

    'over'......
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    Like saying something such as these lines of text. So transmitting that to someone like a walkie-talkie.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator


    you mean people actually being able to have conversations with each other simply through transmission of thought?

    No.
    On TV/movies/the scifi channel, doubtless yes.... but not IRL, Jeffrey.... ;)
  • The current scientific consensus seems to be that there's no reproducible evidence to support telepathy. I myself believe that there's no such thing (at least when it comes to the transferal of information between beings).

    It has however been shown that there can be telepathy in particles so far as quantum entanglement is concerned, but that's not quite what you're talking about :P
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    @Cam, yeah thanks that what I was curious about.

    @Federica, yes exactly. Science fiction. Thanks.
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    Well...I've read some very interesting stories about the Kalahari Bushmen. How, when the men go off on a hunting party, it could take them days, but when they finally are successful, they're able to communicate that to their women at home, along with how many days' walk away they are, so the women start getting ready to cook the meat, they get ready for a big feast.

    But communicating specific words on a page, that kind of detail? No, but I think the general gist can be communicated.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    Yeah I mean like word for word telapathy AND even emotional telepathy. Just an idea I am kicking around in my brain.

    Thanks for the facts on the Kalahari Bushmen. Interesting.
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    I've heard similar things about the Inuit people, the Eskimos, too. When you live in a harsh environment, you need all the skills you can manage to bring to bear, for survival.

    I think emotional telepathy is far easier to send and receive. Think about all the stories of someone getting a hit that a loved one far away is in trouble, and it always turns out to be true.
  • CamCam
    edited May 2012
    Think about all the stories of someone getting a hit that a loved one far away is in trouble, and it always turns out to be true.
    The only thing that stops me believing that is that it's an obvious target for a confirmation bias of sorts - let me explain:
    When it does turn out to be true (a loved one feels a vibe of trouble correctly), it's quite astounding and the story is spread (often through the media).
    When it doesn't turn out to be true (a loved one feels a vibe of trouble falsely), it's not spread and is quickly forgotten ("I thought he might be in trouble but it turns out he wasn't" doesn't make a very good story :P )
    This causes a confirmation bias; only occurrences that support the idea spread and get reported on - giving the effect that there's some causal connection as opposed to coincidence. That's my 2c anyway, sorry for hounding on a little point :P
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    Dakini, I am thinking of telepathy that goes on for three months every day till you wake up and sleep. Something like that.
  • JohnGJohnG Veteran
    From past experiance, I bleive that something like this exists. I couldn't explain how, but felt that I just had to make a turn in the opposite direction I was going. And would discover a fight or burglary in progress
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    That's not telepathy. That's intuition.
    I mentioned that in detail in my first post in this thread.
    (It's the third one, after Fenix)
  • DairyLamaDairyLama Veteran Veteran
    edited May 2012
    I wouldn't want somebody reading my mind, it's a bit of a mess in there.... :D
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    We often discussed this question when we were young...

    "if you had any superpower, what would it be?"

    The amount of people who wanted to read minds was astonishing, but I never opted for this, and in hindsight i think a lot of people wouldn't really want that either....
    they say the worst lies you can tell, are the ones you tell yourself - I'd hate to be able to 'read' those - or the lies people subsequently tell you....
    No wonder 'Right Speech' comes up in both the 8fold path AND the 5 precepts!
  • DairyLamaDairyLama Veteran Veteran
    "if you had any superpower, what would it be?"

    The amount of people who wanted to read minds was astonishing, but I never opted for this, and in hindsight i think a lot of people wouldn't really want that either....
    !
    Being able to fly would be much more fun... ;)
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    @porpoise and @federica

    Yeah that's pretty much true. The mind is not as pure as our social face.
  • VictoriousVictorious Grim Veteran
    There are different types of sensitivity.

    In our brains there are mimic neurons. Which are one of the things that give us humans an edge. When we look at a person moving those mimic neurons mirror that movement. This is a way for us to learn.

    Playing chess players try to predict each others moves and to do that you have to be able to read the other person. Guess their motives and level of skill. The same goes for Kumite.

    I think it is a social skill to read another person and know what they are thinking and to some accuracy guess their motives.

    It is just that we do not consider it telepathy because 'everybody' does it. In home life, at work or at school. Those who are bad at this skill have a harder life. Empathy is a large part of it.

    Then there is the kind of telepathy called sixth sense. I have experimented with my pupils. One held a wooden knife behind the back of another student. And the second had to guess if the knife point was pointed away from or directed at him/her.

    The amazing thing with the result was that if the one holding the knife put intention into the pointing (malice) then the result of the guessing was improved!

    Also it was clear that some were naturally adapt at feeling malice from others.

    Anybody up for an experiment?

    Cheers.
    Victor
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited May 2012
    @Victor, do you think that if the person held a circle or a triangle on a card behind their back that it would work? Something with neutral content.

    What is Kumite? Does it mean that someone from your past can have a running literal word for word transmission of telepathy? Like if I am drinking an odouls they can make a comment about that like 'he's drinking an odouls.. see he is lonely'... or something like that. Remember it is someone from the past that the person has not seen in 20 years. Can they know with literal word for word and emotional analysis?
    Paola
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    What is Kumite? Does it mean that someone from your past can have a running literal word for word transmission of telepathy? Like if I am drinking an odouls they can make a comment about that like 'he's drinking an odouls.. see he is lonely'... or something like that. Remember it is someone from the past that the person has not seen in 20 years. Can they know with literal word for word and emotional analysis?
    While I believe that empathy or the ability to psychicly pick up and feel anothers emotions whether or not you can physically see or hear them happens. And it may be true that some greater extension of that could happen in the form of picking up actual thoughts instead, I really don't think an actual conversation could take place particularly with someone who you don't have contact with. And wouldn't both people need to be very psychic?

    I do feel though that if you are empathic you can get a feel for anothers way of thinking and then play out an imagined conversation with a fabricated image of them where you may be able to sort of guess what the other might say.

    Especially since you have schizophrenia I'd really be sure to assume that any type of conversation is created solely in your mind unless you can actually verify it happening first.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    Yes I agree with the second paragraph because. I believe you can make emotional simulators of people in your mind. What I am talking of is say I am studying chemistry and study Bronsted-Lowry definition of acid-bases. Then the participant in the telapathy makes comments on the chemistry even though they have never had chemistry or else not since 30 years.
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    Yes I agree with the second paragraph because. I believe you can make emotional simulators of people in your mind. What I am talking of is say I am studying chemistry and study Bronsted-Lowry definition of acid-bases. Then the participant in the telapathy makes comments on the chemistry even though they have never had chemistry or else not since 30 years.
    Personally, I don't think so, but it could be some aspect of your subconscious that may be able to offer some insight to your conscious mind, I suppose.
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited May 2012
    Dakini, I am thinking of telepathy that goes on for three months every day till you wake up and sleep. Something like that.
    This line of questioning wouldn't have anything to do with your hearing voices sometimes, would it? Telepathy like you describe doesn't happen.

  • seeker242seeker242 Zen Florida, USA Veteran
    edited May 2012
    The current scientific consensus seems to be that there's no reproducible evidence to support telepathy.
    In order to for a study to demonstrate it, perhaps you would need an experimental group of highly accomplished tantric masters and a control group of ordinary everyday people. For example, if the experimental group was comprised entirely of actual Arhats and the control group just some random people off the street. That would be a proper way to do a study like this.
    :)
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    Often to argue against psychic ability skeptics will ask "what am I thinking now?" As if psychic phenomena means that everything should be knowable to someone who claims psychic ability, and maybe this is in part justified by those who put themselves out to the public as psychic, as they tend to act that way. Its like if someone claimed to be able to hear and I asked them to prove it by telling me what 2 people in the next room were chatting about. There needs to be a clearer understanding of what is occuring.
  • VictoriousVictorious Grim Veteran
    @Victor, do you think that if the person held a circle or a triangle on a card behind their back that it would work? Something with neutral content.

    What is Kumite? Does it mean that someone from your past can have a running literal word for word transmission of telepathy? Like if I am drinking an odouls they can make a comment about that like 'he's drinking an odouls.. see he is lonely'... or something like that. Remember it is someone from the past that the person has not seen in 20 years. Can they know with literal word for word and emotional analysis?
    I have not tried that ... yet. But I think the intention is vital.

    Kumite is sparring. One on one or several on one.

    I think some thoughts are pretty easy to read. But at large it is easier to read intention.

    Do you really want to get into this practically?


    /Victor

  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    @Victorious, sometimes I wonder because I think of people and I hear them answering. For example I smoke my pipe and someone scolds me. Some pretty extreme examples of whole congregations of people discussing something I am doing. Sometimes. I was just wondering if anyone had these experiences who is not mentally ill. I wondered if a part of other people or so were in my head. It seems so real.

    But I have been reasoning how my own human mind is so amazing. Just reading this message how do I know how to write a sentence of expression? I don't actually know how I do it we just say 'the brain did it'. So reasonably my own brain could be simulating actual people. A lot is based on guilt, guilt for pleasures and laziness.

    In the long run I am feeling better when I don't have the voices but they do light a fire under me sometimes.

    So I was wondering if anyone else had heard of something like this?
  • I wouldn't want somebody reading my mind, it's a bit of a mess in there.... :D
    I skipped a few here, so I tend to read people fairly well and my biggest issue is not trusting myself. However I had to learn that sometimes you read what others don't want to see in themselves much less talk about. I haven't screwed it up too much because I primarily listen and reflect back instead of telling them things. When you can read people pretty darn well you either can get judgmental or you can develop more compassion because you realize that everyone has some bad thoughts in them and selfish impulses. And there are times to just block this crap out.

    I don't tell people about this for a few reasons, one is that i can be wrong. Another is that I don't get what people are thinking about or have total control. So I can't just say what a person is thinking about at that time, it more subtle and emotional. And I really don't have to tell anyone, if I am good at using it skillfully then I will make things better rather than worse so that is all it is supposed to do.
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