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I need some advice on letting go...

edited July 2012 in Buddhism Basics
I'm struggling with an unwanted desire. I've been trying to practice letting it go, but I don't feel like I'm making any progress. It's frustrating. Have any of you been faced with this challenge and found a way out of it? This question is a tall order, but it's worth a try.

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  • I_AM_THATI_AM_THAT Veteran
    edited July 2012
    Yes, many challenges... For me it was all about allowing myself to be open, allowing myself to be free; free enough to recognize the desire and the associated suffering. Free to see that this desire and suffering was from within, that my own thoughts and/or actions had a direct link to them and that only I can control them. It's about recognition... As my teacher has said on a number occasions... "Recognition can truly set you free".

    For me it was all about seeing and recognizing change, and then allowing the change to happen; without a preconceived notion, without prejudice.

    Good Luck to you!
  • mugzymugzy Veteran
    Keep practicing. Try not to fight it, but instead observe your feelings and reactions to thoughts that arise. Place your awareness on what comes up, whether it's physical, mental, or emotional, and practice being neither attached nor detached to these feelings.
  • taiyakitaiyaki Veteran
    Look for your desire right now.

    Can you find where it came from? Where does it abide? Where does it go when its gone?

    You can't account for any other moment other than this moment because the next moment is always this moment.

    So in this moment look for your desire. It can be in the mode of thoughts or a movement of energy in the body. But look for it.

    The questions you should be asking and directly investigating are as follows:

    Is such desire substantial? Can I actually locate such desire? What exactly is desire?

    And isn't the game of letting go of desire just perpetuating the desire in the form of negation?

    So just stop. There isn't much to cultivate or to formulate for the future or past. In this instant just stop. Look. Examine.

    You are already free.

    But don't take that as a belief or philosophy. Examine and see for yourself.
  • taiyakitaiyaki Veteran
    edited July 2012
    Also letting go can happen if we focus on letting go as an object. But for most people this is very difficult.

    Thus I advise allowing everything to be as it is. Yes, even your desire. Then examine that desire. Is this desire mine or me or I? Is this desire permanent? Does this desire end my dissatisfaction?

    Examining the three marks automatically allow the "desire" to self liberate.

    Because all phenomena have the three marks.

    So two things are needed. Directly seeing phenomena as they are. And then actively looking at the three marks of phenomena.

    Then you will see how everything arises and passes. Then one will not crave towards or away from phenomena. Why? Because they are insubstantial and not worth the time and day.
  • howhow Veteran Veteran
    edited July 2012

    All practioners face this challenge. I've never found a way out of it that lasted except by going right through it. My success at doing this have always depended on making this process a priority above all others. Now that's a description of a tall order.

    Trying to deal with specific desires (wanted or unwanted) is difficult because the meditative reality is that all desires blind our way to some extent. Trying to eliminate an unwanted desire, while hanging on to wanted desires, is a bit of a spiritual oxymoron.
    Labelling some as positive and others as negative is just a spiritual game that some schools promote to eventually bring practitioners beyond both.

    That being said...
    I would use meditation, the study of the four noble truths & dependant origination to deal with your desire.

    All desires, whether wanted or unwanted, occur as a participatory event, meaning it actually only exists from our own continuous contributions. The experience of the force of a desire usually overshadows and blinds us from the internal mechanisms at play. Seeing how we create, energize and carry a desire is key to deactivating it.

    First, meditatively accept & face it fully for what it is, something that you are formulating.
    It will reveal itself as something you want to be closer to or something you want to avoid. No matter how convoluted, it's purpose is just to aid the enhancing of your sense of identity.
    Next comes the hardest part, letting go of, not energizing, dropping one's investment in, that very part of your identity that the desire is arising from.

    This takes meditative openness to still the distractions that obscure our sight of it.
    Meditative insight to unveil that part of our ego that this desire is manifesting from.
    The active releasing of your hold of that very part of you ( identity/ego/desire) who you believe yourself to be.


    Other approaches are distraction or cause & effect studies but eventually it will all come back to doing some version of the above.
  • genkakugenkaku Northampton, Mass. U.S.A. Veteran
    edited July 2012
    An interesting line from former U.S. President Harry S. Truman:
    It's amazing how much you can accomplish when you don't care who gets the credit.
    Credit for having a desire, perhaps.
    Or credit for letting go of it.
  • sovasova delocalized fractyllic harmonizing Veteran

    Thus I advise allowing everything to be as it is. Yes, even your desire. Then examine that desire. Is this desire mine or me or I? Is this desire permanent? Does this desire end my dissatisfaction?

    Examining the three marks automatically allow the "desire" to self liberate.

    Because all phenomena have the three marks.

    So two things are needed. Directly seeing phenomena as they are. And then actively looking at the three marks of phenomena.
    Wow dude, thank you. I know nothing more to say.


    @NikkiGemGirl "The stone that the builder refused will always be the head cornerstone"

    Don't know if you like reggae, but I have found it a profound contemplation

  • Thank you all for the advice thus far :)

    I have a very firm understanding the the Noble Truths and study them daily. I am fully aware that the desire itself is not causing the suffering, it's my react to the desire. I meditate daily and have been focusing on the release of this desire for about 2 months now with no improvement, which is why I turned to this community for further advise. This desire seems to have really embedded itself in me in a way that nothing else has. It doesn't help that I have a "trigger" that comes around on a regular basis either.

    I'm definitely going to get a lesson on patience when it comes to this matter. I value all of your comments, and thank you again for them.
  • @sova I adore Bob Marley!
  • BeejBeej Human Being Veteran
    I love reggae! Its rhythm is an interpretation of the heartbeat and therefore quite meditative... and Bob Marley could be said to be a Bodhisattva, at least in my eyes... he is my first teacher and I have a reverence for him that is yet unmatched. I met his bass player, Aston 'Family Man' Barret about ten years ago and had the pleasure of hanging with him for a few moments. Truely thrilling!
  • Perhaps your desire to end the desire is feeding it further? Desire is desire, regardless of "what" it is you're desiring. It's all resistance. Maybe letting go of the desire to bring it to an end would be fruitful.
  • TheswingisyellowTheswingisyellow Trying to be open to existence Samsara Veteran
    To the OP:
    What is this desires nature?
    What influences this desire?
    What compounds it?
    What makes it shrink or grow less?
    Are you your desire?
    Be aware of your desire, know its arising, note it.
    Does your awareness have desire? Or is your awareness simply that, awareness?
    Rest in your awareness and let this empty phenomenon roll on (paraphrasing Joseph Goldstein), everytime it arises.
  • Thank you all for the advice thus far :)

    I have a very firm understanding the the Noble Truths and study them daily. I am fully aware that the desire itself is not causing the suffering, it's my react to the desire. I meditate daily and have been focusing on the release of this desire for about 2 months now with no improvement, which is why I turned to this community for further advise. This desire seems to have really embedded itself in me in a way that nothing else has. It doesn't help that I have a "trigger" that comes around on a regular basis either.

    I'm definitely going to get a lesson on patience when it comes to this matter. I value all of your comments, and thank you again for them.
    Desire [tanha] is the cause of suffering - 2nd NT

    Tha cause of desire is that the mind finds the objects of the senses (sights, sounds, smells, taste, touch and thoughts/fantasies) attractive. These objects are baited hooks that pull the mind outside.

    Until the mind clearly sees the drawbacks of getting hooked and the beautiful alternative of attaining happiness independent of the senses through the cultivation of tranquil and calm (mental stillness), the mind cannot let go yet.

  • SabreSabre Veteran
    edited July 2012
    Sometimes I tell myself: If you can't let go, you have to throw away. Meaning, on the Buddhist path not all things go easily and gently. You know it's better for you, but you just can't do it gradually. Then do it suddendly with a bit of force, every time the desire comes up. This is of course way, way easier said than done, and I'm no master in it either. But perhaps it can help you in any way. This is the last method the Buddha gave for removing desire, only to be used when all else fails. And only when you really know what you are doing.

    The methods are in short,as I understand them:
    1. Bring up a feeling of freedom/renunciation opposite of the desire.
    If this works, the desire will go away (temporarily)
    2. Contemplate the drawbacks of the desires.
    If this works, the desire will go away (temporarily)
    3. Let the desire gradually fade away by giving it no atentioin
    If this works, the desire will go away (temporarily)
    4. Find the source of the desire and through that remove the desire
    If this works, the desire will go away (temporarily)
    5. Beat down the desire
    If this works, the desire will go away (temporarily)

    The Buddha suggests trying them in order. The 5th was what I was speaking about, but the other four are better. For some more details and to make your own interpretation: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.020.than.html
    Also know that this is mainly a meditation instruction. It's easiest to let go of desires when you are mindful and focussed already. But as you know, the entire Buddhist path is about removing desire, so really practice all 8 factors as good as you can.

    For some better advice, maybe you could indicate what kind of desire it is. Myself, I'm thinking about becoming a monk. Of course than you will have drop a lot of desires, some of which are almost impossible to let go gently for me, like sexual desires, not having your own stuff or house, etc. I have to try and throw those away again and again using the above 5 techniques.

    Hope this can be of any help and if not, just know you are not alone. ;) Everybody who is not enlightened has some desires, some of which are very deeply rooted and hard to let go of.

    With metta!
    Sabre

  • footiamfootiam Veteran
    If you can't let go, then don't. You'd probably get tired with what you are clinging to.
  • DairyLamaDairyLama Veteran Veteran
    Also letting go can happen if we focus on letting go as an object. But for most people this is very difficult.
    Yes, it's tricky, and it's easy to confuse "letting go" with subtle aversion. For me letting go isn't usually an activity but a result of seeing things as they really are.
  • DairyLamaDairyLama Veteran Veteran
    3. Let the desire gradually fade away by giving it no atentioin
    If this works, the desire will go away (temporarily)
    I find it's useful to recognise and understand the desire, and then allow it to pass.
  • DavidDavid A human residing in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Ancestral territory of the Erie, Haudenosaunee, Huron-Wendat, Mississauga and Neutral First Nations Veteran
    I'm struggling with an unwanted desire. I've been trying to practice letting it go, but I don't feel like I'm making any progress. It's frustrating. Have any of you been faced with this challenge and found a way out of it? This question is a tall order, but it's worth a try.
    I don't know if this will be helpful or not but try to look at the situation from a broader perspective. Just for a minute or two try to expand your sense of self to encircle the entire world including sentient beings. Then focus back into your situation from this same global perspective and see the harm and/or benefit of the actions caused by what you usually call "I" or "me". Remembering that all those around you including animals, plants and minerals are the real you, are you hurting yourself with this desire stemmed from the smaller "I"?

    I don't know if that made sense or not so I also want to recommend Pema Chodrons book Taking the Leap.

    She likens giving into unwanted desire to scratching an itch that causes it to spread like poison oak. The more we scratch, the worse it gets but if we live with the sensation, it will pass.



  • DairyLamaDairyLama Veteran Veteran
    She likens giving into unwanted desire to scratching an itch that causes it to spread like poison oak. The more we scratch, the worse it gets but if we live with the sensation, it will pass.
    Yes, that does seem to be the case, it's a bit like physical addiction.
  • DavidDavid A human residing in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Ancestral territory of the Erie, Haudenosaunee, Huron-Wendat, Mississauga and Neutral First Nations Veteran
    She likens giving into unwanted desire to scratching an itch that causes it to spread like poison oak. The more we scratch, the worse it gets but if we live with the sensation, it will pass.
    Yes, that does seem to be the case, it's a bit like physical addiction.
    Exactly. In the same book actually, she goes into just that.

  • Look for your desire right now.

    Can you find where it came from? Where does it abide? Where does it go when its gone?

    You can't account for any other moment other than this moment because the next moment is always this moment.

    So in this moment look for your desire. It can be in the mode of thoughts or a movement of energy in the body. But look for it.

    The questions you should be asking and directly investigating are as follows:

    Is such desire substantial? Can I actually locate such desire? What exactly is desire?

    And isn't the game of letting go of desire just perpetuating the desire in the form of negation?

    So just stop. There isn't much to cultivate or to formulate for the future or past. In this instant just stop. Look. Examine.

    You are already free.

    But don't take that as a belief or philosophy. Examine and see for yourself.
    Nice :)
  • Letting go doesn't always have to mean discard or throw away. I think it's good to ask what kind of desire you have. Is it a desire that hurts you? Is it a desire that hurts others? Sometimes desires can be both harmful and helpful. If a desire can be put aside when it should be, perhaps that is how you start letting go of it, by gradually putting it aside when need be. Meditation can help with the task of putting things aside. In meditation we focus on one thing, and everything else is left in its natural state, even desires.
  • It is not a physically harmful/unhealthy desire. It's a desire of wanting something I can't have. I'll give you all an example without giving away too much info about the situation...

    Lets say that your best friend gave you a piece of candy. You don't normally care for sweets, but this candy is amazing! After you've had a taste, you want more. When you ask for another piece, your friend tells you that there is no more candy and you can never have it again. Every time you see your friend (which is often because you're close) you're reminded of how much you liked the candy and wish you could have some again.

    This is what I've been trying to let go of. I'm disappointed in myself for even taking the "candy" in the first place. It was a moment of weakness. I had no idea that I would like it so much, but I'm only human.

    The damage has been done and I'm in recovery mode.
  • Perhaps you can find that 'candy' in someone else's pocket? (so to speak)
    And besides; What kind of friend teases another with 'candy' - and then refuses to share more? That was kind of mean, no? Head games. Emotional manipulation. Ego.

    I think the problem lies elsewhere, really; not with you, Nikki.
    It is natural for humans to desire things that ultimately make us happy in one way or another. Nothing wrong with that. As long as you seek (your happiness) honestly, without manipulation, and without harm to anyone else, I don't think you should attach too much negativity to it. Keep things in perspective, do no harm, and keep on moving on...

    Peace.

  • sovasova delocalized fractyllic harmonizing Veteran
    When coming into contact with someone close (repeatedly) it's easy to get caught up in the same emotions/feelings/stances/views, especially when the conditions are ripe/right for arguments, feelings, emotions to continue their course from 'before'

    I enjoy the etch-a-sketch technique

    you know how you can draw a TON of lines on an etch-a-sketch

    and then

    shake-a shake-a
    shake-a shake-a

    poof, supa clean, supa smooth, supa purity

    don't get too caught up in the appearances, and rather than push and pull with an idea, suggest to the universe a different course. see the infinite lake in your heart and let the pure drop make its ripples (both laterally and upward and downward). let your love and patience bloom into the world, ripple outward and bring peace and love to everyone.


    shake-a shake-a
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    shake-a shake-a
    ...that should be a NB motto...... :D
  • ZeroZero Veteran
    It's a desire of wanting something I can't have.

    This is what I've been trying to let go of. I'm disappointed in myself for even taking the "candy" in the first place. It was a moment of weakness. I had no idea that I would like it so much, but I'm only human.

    The damage has been done and I'm in recovery mode.
    You should go with your weaknesses and consider them carefully rather than considering them simply as a 'moment' - they define you as much as your strengths.

    Candy is external to you - you control your hand and mouth - it's that simple - if you dont pick and eat then there is no candy eating - if you desire it that much then go for it - your lessons will be in that process.

    I've found through experience that candy is one of those things that people ask for advice on but rarely listen and rarer still act upon - this type of lesson I suspect has to be learnt personally and more often than not, painfully.
  • I thought this link may help you understand both the desire and the trigger (ego) ;)

    http://www.maithri.com/articles_new/ego_desire.htm
  • It's a desire of wanting something I can't have.

    This is what I've been trying to let go of. I'm disappointed in myself for even taking the "candy" in the first place. It was a moment of weakness. I had no idea that I would like it so much, but I'm only human.

    The damage has been done and I'm in recovery mode.
    You should go with your weaknesses and consider them carefully rather than considering them simply as a 'moment' - they define you as much as your strengths.

    Candy is external to you - you control your hand and mouth - it's that simple - if you dont pick and eat then there is no candy eating - if you desire it that much then go for it - your lessons will be in that process.

    I've found through experience that candy is one of those things that people ask for advice on but rarely listen and rarer still act upon - this type of lesson I suspect has to be learnt personally and more often than not, painfully.
    Very very very true.
  • Perhaps you can find that 'candy' in someone else's pocket? (so to speak)
    And besides; What kind of friend teases another with 'candy' - and then refuses to share more? That was kind of mean, no? Head games. Emotional manipulation. Ego.

    I think the problem lies elsewhere, really; not with you, Nikki.
    It is natural for humans to desire things that ultimately make us happy in one way or another. Nothing wrong with that. As long as you seek (your happiness) honestly, without manipulation, and without harm to anyone else, I don't think you should attach too much negativity to it. Keep things in perspective, do no harm, and keep on moving on...

    Peace.

    !!! Right? !!!
  • @MaryAnne I mean, I love her dearly, but damn. Yeah. That was a rotten thing to do, haha.

    But, truly, it's not her fault. That's not a skillful way to think. I didn't have to take the "candy". She did not cause my suffering over this matter. I'm causing it by allowing myself to react the way I am. This is what I'm going to work though. I should actually thank her for this experience. It will have made my wiser. It's not a curse, but a blessing- you know?
  • Every experience is a lesson in the overall scheme of things, this is true Nikki! ;)


    Peace. <3
  • DairyLamaDairyLama Veteran Veteran
    Lets say that your best friend gave you a piece of candy. You don't normally care for sweets, but this candy is amazing!
    Mmmmm, candy {drool} :D
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