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Removing Asura.
Disregarding past experience with asuras, it has become necessary to remove an asura from this place.
Despite the discussions and conversations elsewhere concerning Buddhist insight and practice with devas and asuras etc., I've not been able to progress insofar in this regard. So, I'm starting a discussion here on this whim, sort of.
What are some references or ideas to removing an asura?
(p.s. In this case we have already negotiated with him and it hasn't borne well.)
Despite the discussions and conversations elsewhere concerning Buddhist insight and practice with devas and asuras etc., I've not been able to progress insofar in this regard. So, I'm starting a discussion here on this whim, sort of.
What are some references or ideas to removing an asura?
(p.s. In this case we have already negotiated with him and it hasn't borne well.)
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Like everything else, they are just one manifestation of fundamentally feeling separated from everything else.
The Buddhist approach.....
Step one. Examine how you are also asura like.
Step two. Manifest compassion, sympathy, empathy, tenderness & love for your own asura nature.
Step three. Repeat endlessly.
Look up the six realms. It is a pretty rich teaching tool with many different levels.
Asura's can be people, natures, tendencies, karmic inertia, any power acting with anger and jealousy etc. It shows the consequences of such manifestations and how to address it.
Devas - Heavenly beings, deities
Although if you don't know what an asura is you probably don't have any sources on how to evict one.
Most humans cannot see asuras, but many can especially deep meditators and monks. Those who have developed the divine eye, one of five special eyes. The reason we don't see them commonly is because of our gross minds and they're refined bodies. The Buddha spoke of them on several occasions as well as other monks. They're also mentioned in the Abhidhamma Pitaka and have always been present in Dharma.
Many people glimpse devas or asuras and consider them to be ghosts, angels, sometimes demons, and still less even aliens. However, they are just otherworldly beings like humans. They are reborn as humans, hell beings, etc.
It can dispell any perception.
Solidity is given on the basis of projection.
Because all is a construction. Seeing the voidness of all appearance automatically self liberates everything.
Trying to get rid of is affirming. Seeing the nature and essence of appearances allow for wisdom to manifest.
Cut it all with prajna.
But never the less everything is coming from you and not at you.
Its very counter to what we normally believe which in turns colors our perception.
Everything is what you designate it to be. You see what you want to see and ot acts as a feedback loop continually justifying your designations over and over again.
An asura from the designation of love is just a very hurt being.
So my advice to you is to actively see how your mind is constructing this whole thing. Is that person truly an asura? Can they be anything else? Patience is important.
But if there is potential harm its always better to avoid. But if you can work with it then just pay attention to the whole construction.
Yes the asura is very hurt, but I don't think any amount of "seeing how my mind is constructing the whole thing" will help him to leave. Yes, the person is truly an asura, there is no doubt. Patience is present. There is potential harm because that is what he seeks. He would not even listen to my words, my friend had to speak to him and I had to translate for her.
We negotiated him to live her room but now he is worsening the household. It isn't a dire situation, no one is dire yet but he is very malign and does cause problems with mood, health, and pestilence. Also she is in a vulnerable stage right now spiritually. Put simply, everything you've said is already considered into our calculations.
This is more along the lines of: How would you remove a bad person from your house, if they were invisible and powerful and didn't want to leave?
If I am to take you at your words and you are not willing to follow my previous post's suggestions, you can get a Buddhist priest to perform a sagaki at the house.
What I've been looking for is action. This is a very practical situation and not hardly a spiritual one.
It's spiritual. It's there because it's getting something it wants. What do you think that might be?
'You are not welcome here any more'.
change locks.
stretch rent between remaining tenants, until new tenant can be found, if required.
sorted.
Jeesh, why complicate things by calling them asuras?
the person's a pain in the neck!
deal with it on a human level, because that is primarily, what they are!
Since he doesn't provide anything or pay rent he isn't a tenant. He is an unwelcome being who shouldn't be here right now and will not cooperate. He doesn't just happen to be an asura, it's completely relevant to the situation. Not complicated. The problem is he is an asura.
... Is this complicated guys?
Don't create a mystical problem out of something that is simply practical.
and if you don't like him, and want him to leave, tell him to get out, and not come back.
it's not complicated at all.
You're making it complicated.
Face it - the guy's a jerk, he's disruptive, and you don't like him being there.
He seems - as far as I can gather - to be there because he's seeing a girl who lives there.
Well, here's the thing: you all need to tell her he is not welcome, nobody wants him there, and if he keeps coming round, she will have to choose between him, and continuing to live there, because you're all fed up with it.
Really - it's a 'human' issue. Deal with it on a 'human' level.
Really though.. why would a being like that listen to things like, "Go away!" or "You are not welcome here! ?
Sounds like the trump cards are in the asuras hands to me.
Then again I am not versed in this subject or any subject for that matter.
If one doesn't believe then what power does it have?
Its really that simple.
No matter if its a spirit or a full on "physical" being.
Reality is a total construction of the individuals energy being projected outwards. Failure to recognize this results in more fabrication, more solidifying via attachment and aversion.
There is no thing apart from your projection of such thing. When that is recognized then everything is a display, a magical display. All smoke and mirrors.
This also includes you the one having the problem. The one asking for help, etc. just stop fabricating. WhatS left?
If the individual is willing to drop it completely then my suggestion will work.
If not then they will need to construct condition x, y, z. Then they can remedy the problem.
The problem is a construction of mind.
So it all depends.
When it comes down to it, easy is just stopping.
Complaining, asking for advice, thinking, etc are all secondary to just stopping.
When one realizes that all their solutions to their problems are the problem themselves then well you mine as well as bust out in laughter.
True but seriously short on empathy or skillful means.
Wasn't that Nancy Reagan's solution to drugs? Just stop!
Why did the Buddha bother messing around with those mustard seeds?
It was the greatest moment of my life.
It was not the slap but the timing. (mustard seeds?)
Otherwise everyone would be lining up for the "Three Stooges" teaching..
If Empathy is ignored, many understandings just become heartless and impotent.
Asura?
where is it?
Out side of you?
or
Inside of you?
how can you say what 'asura' think if it is in outside of you?
Do you have the mind reading power?
if not, it should be in inside of you,
then
there are things that you have to do to get rid of 'it'
It was the greatest moment of my life. I agree I was a bit aggressive. Thanks for the reminder.
Now, I appreciate all the advice given on this topic, but so far there hasn't been any references or experience on instruction to evicting an asura. Let me just say that if you really can't answer to the REAL problem we have, I'm not going to respond to it here.
Thanks, Son.
Or if he is a person, then who invites him into the house? If it is the girl inviting him, well then she is friends with him even if not 'seeing' him. Are you involved with the girl would be my (intrusive) question.
EVERYONE: this is a real physical asura that is not human, and exists in the asura realm. Needless to say I can see him with the divine eye and that is how I know this.
You ask for practical solutions and then doubt them because low and behold, a problem that was a long time in the making, can't be made to disapear with an asprin.
You have created an asura friendly home.
Guess how you change that?
Nor did I ask for an immediate aspirin solution...
This is NOT my home, and even before the two residents moved in the asura was surely here. Many responses have been based on assumptions. The reason the assumptions are being made is because I left out details that were irrelevant, because what I'm really looking for is not an aspirin solution, and not some psycho-emotional solution, but one that is actually practical.
I haven't dismissed anything. I simply know what I'm looking for, and in this situation I need experience and references. And yet, not a one person has given their experience on dealing with an unwelcome asura, or cited a reference to dealing with an asura...
1.) That is exactly what I asked for. Nothing mystical about it.
2.) I've taken all other advice into account and haven't dismissed hardly any posts.
Would you prefer I not be clear about what I'm looking for?
This is serious, real and I came here for help in the solution. And if anyone else happens to search for this topic it can help them too.
Pretty straightforward.
Noun:
A member of a class of evil divine beings in the Vedic period.
In several posts I've explained that I'm dealing with a real asura, and not a psycho-spiritual personality type. If you want to regard asuras as ghosty-type things, that's okay.
What did he do that makes you think he's a demon?
If you don't allow yourself the doubt, the possibility that your mind is messed up, that would be what's truly insane (to just accept it without question). This is something you should look into. People with mental disorders generally don't question what they think they hear and see (the insane don't know it), so you owe it to yourself to investigate, perhaps talk to a professional.
I'm familiar with it, and it doesn't have anything to do with my perception of divine beings. I'm not trying to prove anything to you, I just meant it seemed like you were suggesting it. I don't think its possible. However I've conversed with many other Buddhists on the topic who are confident that I can, and others around me have indeed found it proven that I can.
So? In any case asuras are real and they do sometimes live in someone's house. This is the topic, not whether or not a person confuses asuras with symptoms of mental disorder.