Love of wisdom

lobster

Being wise is one of my aspirations - tsk, tsk . . . Is it unwise to leave the moment? LOL.
Wisdom is not the accumulation and regurgitation of information, a book or website is more efficient. Wisdom is knowing the appropriate response. Will that come from the moment? Perhaps so. We should have immense respect for those dedicated to the search but not confuse them with the results. What are the results of wisdom? Transmission? Elicitation? A lack of hair?

robot

As you said the ability to say the right thing, or to refrain from speaking at the right time, is an indicator of wisdom.
Also knowing how and when to expend energy and when to conserve it. Trying to stay balanced. Don Juan called it Being accessible to Power, and Being inaccessible.
That is also living with wisdom. Some things to strive for in my opinion.
Is that the kind of response you are looking for?

genkaku

@lobster -- Relax. You are already wise ... seriously.

Why would anyone in their right mind try to attain what was already in hand?

mettanando

genkaku said:

@lobster -- Relax. You are already wise ... seriously.

Why would anyone in their right mind try to attain what was already in hand?

No reflection on Lobster at all..but if everyone you rub shoulders with genkaku are" already wise " and " have it already in hand " then you must live either in a hermitage or on a different planet to me.
I see deeply wounded and distrait people blown about by their pain and confusion..in large numbers. To talk about what they may be potentially is to dishonour and dilute their reality.
Thats sounds like Cocktail Buddhism or New Ageism.

genkaku

@mettanando -- Very wise.

mettanando

Wise or foolish it is what I actually think. It's not word games.

taiyaki

In the instant what is called for is complete intimacy. And in fully embracing this instant without reservations wisdom arises. Wisdom not as a thing but rather as the display and response of this whole creative matrix we call our lives. We see directly that the subject and object are merely conceptual structures that bind our perception into molding an infinitely separate reality. This isn't known through conceptually means but rather this is known by throwing oneself completely off the cliff, falling and falling and being okay with falling because as Trungpa Rinpoche asserts there is no ground.

Its like living life as if you are a jazz standard on its crest. Or your whole dream, all our little ideas about what life has to be or was or is. All of it just dies in front of you and you are continually reborn over and over and over again.

And always already life was such and we recognize no attainment. Fully hear the sound and let the sound kill you. Experience has nothing to do with our ideas.

lobster

Why would anyone in their right mind try to attain what was already in hand?

Wise and crazy . . . Now you are talking . . . would it be crazy to want more wisdom? When I attain realisation on schedule in 2013, I intend to be more wise, not making crazy predictions for example . . .
Balance as 'robot' says, the middle way, is hopefully on its way . . .

Jeffrey

Wisdom comes from experience. Asking questions of oneself. I think so. They say that not knowing is the beginning of wisdom, which is if you think about it kind of obvious; we go from A to B. There are endless things not to know and thus endless wisdom.

robot

I, for one, accept what you have posted @taiyaki. If one could simply be here now, the work is done.

"After that, in the cold ashes of a dead fire, it is clear everywhere; among the stumps of dead trees everything illumines: then you merge with solitary transcendence, unapproachably high. Then there is no more need to seek mind or seek Buddha: you meet them everywhere and find they are not obtained from outside.

The hundred aspects and thousand facets of perennial enlightenment are all just this: it is mind, so there is no need to still seek mind; it is Buddha, so why trouble to seek Buddha anymore? If you make slogans of words and produce interpretations on top of objects, then you will fall into a bag of antiques and after all that never find what you are looking for.

This is the realm of true reality where you forget what is on your mind and stop looking. In a wild field, not choosing, picking up whatever comes to hand, the obvious meaning of Zen is clear in the hundred grasses. Indeed, the green bamboo, the clusters of yellow flowers, fences, walls, tiles, and pebbles use the teaching of the inanimate; rivers, birds, trees, and groves expound suffering, emptiness, and selflessness. This is based on the one true reality, producing unconditional compassion, manifesting uncontrived, supremely wondrous power in the great jewel light of nirvana."
From "Essentials of Mind" Yuanwu

Attaining continuity of that experience is far more easily said than done. It's a life's work.
For practical purposes, attainment is a result of practice, discipline and and cultivating an orderly life. So wisdom is demonstrated in how one lives his life.
Isn't that how you would select your teacher?


“Nothing in this world is a gift. Whatever must be learned must be learned the hard way.”- don Juan

ThailandTom

genkaku said:

@lobster -- Relax. You are already wise ... seriously.

Why would anyone in their right mind try to attain what was already in hand?

I myself can see where @genkaku is pointing here, or at least I think I do. It is a wise comment which is short&sweet and down to the point. Buddhism helps over time to clear away the cobwebs of conditioning and delusion, it gives you the tools to peel away the layers of illusion that have been laid down over time revealing what was and is always there. To do this all you need to do is relax, to slow down, to observe the mind and its surroundings for what they actually are. We do not gain enlightenment instead we clear away the layers of dust that have collected over the many years. The Buddha nature is there now, and now, and now and also believe it or not, now!

Nevermind

genkaku said:

@lobster -- Relax. You are already wise ... seriously.

Why would anyone in their right mind try to attain what was already in hand?

Because, on the other hand, I'm a fool.

Deepankar

I embracing the wisdom of every beings across ten directions and confessed on behalf what is delusively not...:p

lobster

How wonderful.
Nowhere to go, nothing to do, job done.
Can it be true gentle reader? Already Buddha. Already wise. Foolish for ever.

Listen. What do you hear?

The sound of the Buddha listening.
:wave:

How wonderful. Onward and upward, everywhere a Buddha Realm.