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I have a strange observation...
dhammacitta
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I have noticed that people who die young have a sort of heaviness in their eyes, like they are carrying a lot of stuff around. On the other hand people who die old have light eyes. Of course, there are exceptions, few though. I have used this to estimate how many time I have left, and it's possible I may die in middle age, as I'm kind of in the middle where it comes to heavy eyes. Has anyone noticed this?
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Personally, I haven't seen enough people in death to be able to comment either way.
However, I did see both my Grandfather and my father dying.
Neither had 'light eyes', as you describe.
the heaviness or lightness that you see in there eyes is really a reflection of how you see their circumstances.
@dhammacitta
Since your question was about the heaviness of the eyes in those dying young as opposed to a lightness in the eyes of the elderly and you equate that with bad deeds & good deeds?.....
Why would you see the young or old, filled with more of one than the other?
:crazy:
Once again, you have asked us what we think. And you are rejecting everything we express.
The general consensus here seems to be that we don't believe you can "sense" early death in people.
Here is rudeness: Oh my God, read me then! That's amazing. Lol...
Please disagree, let's discuss it like civilized people, like adults interested in debates. But don't come with sarcasm on serious matters and expect me to laugh along.
You may not see it as rudeness as you aren't it's target. It is unwelcoming and insensitive. Would the Buddha act like you do? Time to rethink your actions when you are unnecessarily hurting people. Yes, I'm getting hurt. Maybe I'm too sensitive, but then again your words shouldn't harm even the most sensitive of people.
Take this into account:
"[1] In the case of words that the Tathagata knows to be unfactual, untrue, unbeneficial (or: not connected with the goal), unendearing & disagreeable to others, he does not say them.
[2] In the case of words that the Tathagata knows to be factual, true, unbeneficial, unendearing & disagreeable to others, he does not say them.
[3] In the case of words that the Tathagata knows to be factual, true, beneficial, but unendearing & disagreeable to others, he has a sense of the proper time for saying them.
[4] In the case of words that the Tathagata knows to be unfactual, untrue, unbeneficial, but endearing & agreeable to others, he does not say them.
[5] In the case of words that the Tathagata knows to be factual, true, unbeneficial, but endearing & agreeable to others, he does not say them.
[6] In the case of words that the Tathagata knows to be factual, true, beneficial, and endearing & agreeable to others, he has a sense of the proper time for saying them. Why is that? Because the Tathagata has sympathy for living beings."
(Abhaya Sutta)
If you believe in reincarnation then it is accepted that the soul chooses its life on Earth to learn specific things, so knowledge of the length of life could be part of that. And some people make extraordinarily accurate predictions about their lives. According to her sister's memoir, cellist Jacqueline du Pre predicted her own incapacity from MS while still a young child. Perhaps this knowledge can be communicated via the eyes to those sensitive enough to see it.
Also, I agree with what you said about George Harrison. He had a lot of 'content', so to speak. I definitely see a medium heaviness which makes sense since he lived long, but not as long as to be an old man.
While coming across in jest, I was half serious. I have a terminal illness. I confess I also found your OP slightly offensive. I don't know what my previous lives were like and if my illness is karma or not. But you making the sweeping statement about why people die young (I'm 38 so I consider that young) or old and I guarantee you it will raise hackles - it certainly raised mine.
And to be honest, I think the responses you've received thus far are congenial and not rude. If you want to see rude, I can give you a no holds barred response, but that would be unskillful and unhelpful.
ETA - if you had expressed it along the lines of "I believe that some people can sense an early death" you would have found people who while not agreeing with you, asking you why. For example, I believe in a Divine Being, and a lot here don't, but I haven't been shot down for it, and some interesting and informative threads have been the result.
In metta,
Raven
Sorry to hear that.
Well, I did say that, but notice I didn't make an absolute statement. I've read that it could be it, or I don't know what it could be. As I said before I was just speculating, trying to spark some sort of interesting debate.
Congenial... I found them to be sassy, in the bad way. But let's agree to disagree.
I don't know what you mean by saying that I should've said: "I believe that some people can sense an early death".
I don't think I've made sweeping statements, here is when my uncertainness about this have shown:
"Of course, there are exceptions, few though."
"it's possible I may die in middle age"
" I've read somewhere that an angry, violent life leads to an early death. Therefore preservation of life and kindness possibly lead to longevity. Possibly. This is all speculation."
I also said that heavy, I think it is anger. Not necessarily, and not necessarily do they indicate a short life. I've seen someone with heavy eyes who lived 'till 80 years old or something.
In short, I've been nothing but careful, trying to avoid grasping at my own ideas too much. I think I did well. :-/
I wouldn't say I'm a believer in spirits or reincarnation but I do find the subject fascinating. We should be open to all possibilities, and since many people give witness to the existence of spirits and reincarnation their accounts deserve our consideration.
Even with all our scientific discovery there is much about the nature of mind that is still undiscovered. To quote Shakespeare, "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
From old age, cancer or other disease, overdose, auto accidents, industrial accidents, drowning, murder, ect.
Although I have not paid much attention to their eyes in particular, there has been no noticeable lightness or heaviness to their eyes, or any other physical feature by which I could have predicted their death at any age. Except the way addicts look which can include heavy eyes. Even then I couldn't say how long they could live.
Some people think that someone's eyes can be a good indicator of the state of their health, but unhealthy people can live for a surprisingly long time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanpaku
So, no I have not noticed this.
My grandma passed away a few years ago. As she approached death, her skin paled, her eyes remained open for longer, and then they stopped opening. I do not remember ever thinking them light or heavy. She said to my mom before her final stroke: "Don't you ever feel like just running with the wind? I want to run and feel the wind."
I do not feel like a lightness or heaviness correlates to age of death. I do feel like the eyes can tell you a lot about a person though. I have heavy, sleepy eyes, and I am a sleepy person. My friend has wide eyes and dark circles... he stays up late at night and writes and always has thoughts racing through his mind. Another friend has kind and inviting eyes, narrow but bright. My significant other has bright, wondering, but worried eyes.
i've had several friends die young. and guess what? i became the one with the "heavy" eyes. and i'm still here. am i an exception? nope. just a human being.