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getting stuck

genkakugenkaku Northampton, Mass. U.S.A. Veteran
in General Banter
A bit pushy, perhaps, but I put this on my blog this morning:

To the extent that spiritual effort has a direction or goal, I think that sometimes it gets turned on its head.

Spiritual effort is not about getting where you aren't.

Spiritual adventure is about getting where you already are.

Being where you are means you can go anywhere.

Being where you aren't means you get stuck.
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Comments

  • DairyLamaDairyLama Veteran Veteran
    genkaku said:

    Spiritual adventure is about getting where you already are.

    Then why bother, if we're already here? :p

  • fivebellsfivebells Veteran
    It's like the old "You've got to be somebody before you can be nobody." You've got to get somewhere before you can get nowhere.
    Bunks
  • DairyLamaDairyLama Veteran Veteran
    fivebells said:

    It's like the old "You've got to be somebody before you can be nobody."


    Ah yes, I see. Actually this reminds me of the profound words of Eccles in the Goon Show: "Everybody 's got to be somewhere." ;)
    Bunksfederica
  • Steve_BSteve_B Veteran
    Nothing you can see that isn't shown
    Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be
    It's easy
    Lennon/McCartney
    DairyLama
  • GuiGui Veteran
    No where to go.
    No thing to do.
    No one to be.
  • howhow Veteran Veteran
    @genkaku ·
    There is a reason why the goal of goalessness
    or practicing for practice sake
    in a spiritual effort,
    can be
    selfless.
  • genkakugenkaku Northampton, Mass. U.S.A. Veteran
    There is a reason why the goal of goalessness
    or practicing for practice sake
    in a spiritual effort,
    can be
    selfless.
    @how -- And the reason is ...?
  • lobsterlobster Crusty Veteran
    genkaku said:


    Spiritual adventure is about getting where you already are.

    Being where you are means you can go anywhere.

    Being where you aren't means you get stuck.

    Being a spiritual adventurer I was always intrigued that the great explorers of the spiritual said that their destinations were superior to ecstasy, made them happy as a ding dong and generally involved the point of existence.
    Sounds better than mundane life as we know it? You bet your dukkha.
    Then I noticed where they found this flawless jewel. Stuck in the mundane dirt of ordinary life.
    Oh they are so paradoxical, even Mr Cushion is saying nothing.

    What is a gal to do?
    Pay your dues, spend your efforts, go to the supermarket.
    One day you may know, they knew what they were talking about.

    . . . and now back to mud and diamonds . . .
    anataman
  • howhow Veteran Veteran
    genkaku said:

    There is a reason why the goal of goalessness
    or practicing for practice sake
    in a spiritual effort,
    can be
    selfless.
    @how -- And the reason is ...?

    The quicker a spiritual effort evolves beyond "our" travel or adventure, the quicker there isn't a "who" to get stuck?
    I was not disagreeing with you. Simply pointing out what it is in a spiritual effort that actually gets stuck.
  • anatamananataman Who needs a title? Where am I? Veteran
    edited February 2014
    lobster said:

    genkaku said:


    Spiritual adventure is about getting where you already are.

    Being where you are means you can go anywhere.

    Being where you aren't means you get stuck.

    Being a spiritual adventurer I was always intrigued that the great explorers of the spiritual said that their destinations were superior to ecstasy, made them happy as a ding dong and generally involved the point of existence.
    Sounds better than mundane life as we know it? You bet your dukkha.
    Then I noticed where they found this flawless jewel. Stuck in the mundane dirt of ordinary life.
    Oh they are so paradoxical, even Mr Cushion is saying nothing.

    What is a gal to do?
    Pay your dues, spend your efforts, go to the supermarket.
    One day you may know, they knew what they were talking about.

    . . . and now back to mud and diamonds . . .
    You're a girl? No way!
  • HamsakaHamsaka goosewhisperer Polishing the 'just so' Veteran
    genkaku said:

    A bit pushy, perhaps, but I put this on my blog this morning:

    To the extent that spiritual effort has a direction or goal, I think that sometimes it gets turned on its head.

    Spiritual effort is not about getting where you aren't.

    Spiritual adventure is about getting where you already are.

    Being where you are means you can go anywhere.

    Being where you aren't means you get stuck.

    Holy cow. You get stuck by being where you aren't.

    That is totally beautiful and true. Wow. I'm not even high. But that is so true and beautiful I feel like I smoked a big bowl of chronic just letting that run through my head :D Ahem.

    Probably SO not alone here . . . that sensation of being stuck is so familiar that it is like a too-close relative I wish would go away. Funny I never asked this relative if he/she had anything to say . . . maybe she/he would have said "You get stuck by being where you aren't."



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