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My recent lesson is that thinking outside the box isn't enough. You gotta get rid of the box I noticed the desire to fit into the puzzle and fit in and that was and still is causing a lot of inner conflict which manifests in social anxiety and the like. Yes I include religion there as well.
IME following life teachings by a single book or person felt rather imprisoning, I'm way too inquisitive for that to work, so I started looking everywhere for knowledge and mixed and matched my own little personal "religion" which I tweak and adjust every couple of weeks really lol
Having said that, what I love about Buddhism is the fact that you can actually apply it in your life and see results. I'm not an expert on the matter but reading about it always brings on the "aha" moments.
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HamsakagoosewhispererPolishing the 'just so'Veteran
@lobster said:
Strangely enough when our life experiences are processed or assessed in the right way, we begin to make sense of 'life, the universe and everything'.
Thanks guys
As we all know, all of us are independent enough of others thinking to evaluate and find the meta message, underlying assumptions, unconscious impediments etc. Easy to understand others?
So where does the position of ignorance and dukkha arise? Perhaps the right way is evaluating our processing and assesment with the discernment and insight we reserve for others . . . ?
Is our thinking so lax our brains fall out, so tight our dogma is constricting us, so fair we can not be critical, so perfect we say nothing?
I learned the benefits of being stone heart and truthfulness.
Compassion does not deserve all, sometimes it's better to be stone heart and not caring undeserving at all.
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federicaSeeker of the clear blue sky...Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubtModerator
@federica said:
No, it's never better. You are mistaken.
I really don't know what it would have effect for long term but it feels right to me. may be I'm diverting from Buddhism in this case particularly and proved to be more cruel than ignorant although i am agree with panchashilas of Buddha.
Life is teaching me to stop trying to find lessons in everything! I have been studying and practicing Buddhism for one year now. It has been life-changing. My greatest wish is to develop more compassion for others, to connect on a deeper level with all. My husband, not a Buddhist, told me something profound a few days ago. I had asked him if I was wrong for thinking a certain way about something. I am always too hard on myself, always grasping at ways to self-improve.
And he said, "Sometimes it is not right or wrong. It just IS."
I meditated on that and consulted the Dharma over the next few days. And I had a huge breakthrough moment. I cried and cried because I realized, really SAW that I am already perfect, inherently, and until now, I never really believed that and loved myself unconditionally. It is a continued practice for me, to just let go of the notion that I must improve on every aspect of myself, as until then, I will not be able to perceive the world with the love and acceptance it deserves. I believe it is from that, compassion grows,
@rohit said:
I learned the benefits of being stone heart and truthfulness.
Compassion does not deserve all, sometimes it's better to be stone heart and not caring undeserving at all.
everybody deserves compassion
in any incident one (victim) is suffering and other one is creating his suffering
if one who sees the incident have the stone heart he also suffering at the moment and will suffer later when he remember the incident
this is the Truth
even if one can not help any party involve in the incident one could help oneself if one has the compassion with seeing the true Truth
And he said, "Sometimes it is not right or wrong. It just IS."
Even the ignorant carnivores have dharma for us
If it just is and we crave and attach to a preference, we sure do suffer as you mention. The perfect Buddhist is flawed. They are compassionate, allowing samsara and the dream world to co-exist. By being at peace with our dukkha, by being at peace with samsara, Nirvana begins to manifest . . .
Thanks for reply.
But now i am being confirmed about that Buddhism is more suitable to the monks.
In Sansara there is lot importance to the time. We just can't waste time to people who are frustrating and take advantage of our compassion.
Although i agree that aggression and showing it harm oneself only.So better way is to avoid people who does not deserve.
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federicaSeeker of the clear blue sky...Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubtModerator
Who are you to judge who deserves and who doesn't? How do you know? That's not avoidance, that's prejudice.
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DavidA human residing in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Ancestral territory of the Erie, Haudenosaunee, Huron-Wendat, Mississauga and Neutral First NationsVeteran
edited August 2014
@rohit said:
I learned the benefits of being stone heart and truthfulness.
Compassion does not deserve all, sometimes it's better to be stone heart and not caring undeserving at all.
This may be my own bias but when I hear someone say that it makes me think they don't understand compassion.
Just because we have compassion for all does not mean we need suffer fools. Heck, having compassion for an abuser could include jail time for them. Even a busted leg if it will stop them from hurting others at the time.
This isn't from Buddha but Jesus asked his version of God to forgive his abusers because they didn't understand what they were doing. That is true compassion.
It is said that hurt people hurt people and so a lack of compassion only makes things worse for us all.
I've often found that some people need to be shown true compassion before they are able to water their own compassion seed.
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DavidA human residing in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Ancestral territory of the Erie, Haudenosaunee, Huron-Wendat, Mississauga and Neutral First NationsVeteran
We are born to go.
Life has taught me three parts to the Golden Rule. Have fun, help others and let no harm come to myself or others.
To always look at life with the eyes of a pupil...
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federicaSeeker of the clear blue sky...Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubtModerator
edited August 2014
But you look at life WITH your pupils, so you're obviously doing something right! (Wonder why one word can mean two completely different things....? Am going to investigate!)
Edit: Wow, it's complicated: We have to consider old French and Greek... in a nutshell, the french word originally meant orphan child, (there are masculine/feminine versions) and those who needed close guardianship, or being looked after....it's where we also get the expression of a child being the apple of someone's eye... the ancient Greek word for a small child (one reflected in the curved surface of an eyeball) is the same word they use for pupil, too....
I consider curiosity to be a real bonus when seeking and experiencing Life lessons.... I hope to never stop being curious!
HamsakagoosewhispererPolishing the 'just so'Veteran
edited August 2014
@rohit said:
Although i agree that aggression and showing it harm oneself only.So better way is to avoid people who does not deserve.
Some people are dangerous and have the intent to exploit people who get close enough. They are quite rare . . . but if you have been victimized by a person like that your innocence is gone for a while. It might even seem that there are bad people everywhere you look, but that is not the case at all. It's a delusion from being victimized, all it takes is once.
In the meantime you WILL understand how even truly dangerous people 'deserve' compassion. Being victimized by one (and not everyone has been) gives you a special side class to the life long learning of compassion.
Avoid the persons who do not 'deserve' and focus on your own practice. It will show you how to have compassion for such persons in time.
I think your use of the word 'deserve' is perhaps not quite accurate in meaning, and if English is your second language, there might be a 'better' word than deserve. I get what you mean by it, though. "to deserve" is a phrase very easy to misunderstand and be misused even by first language English speakers.
Life has taught me that there will always be ups and downs because things change but it's up to you to keep it positive. Also, a smile goes a long way. Also, Buddhism changed my life! Oh and to be my self and better my self and not care what people think. To be compassionate and more open to helping just to know I help others.
@Kruise said:
Oh and to be my self and better my self and not care what people think.
Thanks guys . . .
You haz self? Don't tell any of them Buddhists or they might want to know what that self is . . .
Glad to hear that dharma and life lessons are working out. The two are often interdependent . . . we find what is useful and skilful and allow the rest to just rest easy . . . well that is my plan
:wave: .
Comments
All comes and goes...
Isn't it wonderful - that there is something we all have in common! Goes along with the "not one" but "not two" discussion
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Learned that obsessive thinking, particular of the negative variety, is a real trap; but learned there may be a way out.
In answer to the OP:
Life is completely meaningless, and in that way is spontaneously perfected; but I give it meaning; and it means something to me.
Metta
My recent lesson is that thinking outside the box isn't enough. You gotta get rid of the box
I noticed the desire to fit into the puzzle and fit in and that was and still is causing a lot of inner conflict which manifests in social anxiety and the like. Yes I include religion there as well.
IME following life teachings by a single book or person felt rather imprisoning, I'm way too inquisitive for that to work, so I started looking everywhere for knowledge and mixed and matched my own little personal "religion" which I tweak and adjust every couple of weeks really lol
Having said that, what I love about Buddhism is the fact that you can actually apply it in your life and see results. I'm not an expert on the matter but reading about it always brings on the "aha" moments.
I'd like to wipe mine off, please.
Thanks guys
As we all know, all of us are independent enough of others thinking to evaluate and find the meta message, underlying assumptions, unconscious impediments etc. Easy to understand others?
So where does the position of ignorance and dukkha arise? Perhaps the right way is evaluating our processing and assesment with the discernment and insight we reserve for others . . . ?
Is our thinking so lax our brains fall out, so tight our dogma is constricting us, so fair we can not be critical, so perfect we say nothing?
. . . and now back to the sensible. . . :wave: .
"do not believe in styles; styles separate man." - bruce lee
at the perception
as soon as we take the perception as 'real' dukka starts to arise
Life has taught me to have no expectations. None. It really IS easier that way.
However, I will admit that while I am mostly successful applying my own advice, it's not always easy or applied. :rolleyes:
I learned the benefits of being stone heart and truthfulness.
Compassion does not deserve all, sometimes it's better to be stone heart and not caring undeserving at all.
No, it's never better. You are mistaken.
I really don't know what it would have effect for long term but it feels right to me. may be I'm diverting from Buddhism in this case particularly and proved to be more cruel than ignorant although i am agree with panchashilas of Buddha.
Life is teaching me to stop trying to find lessons in everything! I have been studying and practicing Buddhism for one year now. It has been life-changing. My greatest wish is to develop more compassion for others, to connect on a deeper level with all. My husband, not a Buddhist, told me something profound a few days ago. I had asked him if I was wrong for thinking a certain way about something. I am always too hard on myself, always grasping at ways to self-improve.
And he said, "Sometimes it is not right or wrong. It just IS."
I meditated on that and consulted the Dharma over the next few days. And I had a huge breakthrough moment. I cried and cried because I realized, really SAW that I am already perfect, inherently, and until now, I never really believed that and loved myself unconditionally. It is a continued practice for me, to just let go of the notion that I must improve on every aspect of myself, as until then, I will not be able to perceive the world with the love and acceptance it deserves. I believe it is from that, compassion grows,
life is teaching me that there is a way out.
everybody deserves compassion
in any incident one (victim) is suffering and other one is creating his suffering
if one who sees the incident have the stone heart he also suffering at the moment and will suffer later when he remember the incident
this is the Truth
even if one can not help any party involve in the incident one could help oneself if one has the compassion with seeing the true Truth
Even the ignorant carnivores have dharma for us
If it just is and we crave and attach to a preference, we sure do suffer as you mention. The perfect Buddhist is flawed. They are compassionate, allowing samsara and the dream world to co-exist. By being at peace with our dukkha, by being at peace with samsara, Nirvana begins to manifest . . .
We haz plan. Nirvana here we come . . . :wave: .
To slow down,speak little and pay attention.
Thanks for reply.
But now i am being confirmed about that Buddhism is more suitable to the monks.
In Sansara there is lot importance to the time. We just can't waste time to people who are frustrating and take advantage of our compassion.
Although i agree that aggression and showing it harm oneself only.So better way is to avoid people who does not deserve.
Who are you to judge who deserves and who doesn't? How do you know? That's not avoidance, that's prejudice.
This may be my own bias but when I hear someone say that it makes me think they don't understand compassion.
Just because we have compassion for all does not mean we need suffer fools. Heck, having compassion for an abuser could include jail time for them. Even a busted leg if it will stop them from hurting others at the time.
This isn't from Buddha but Jesus asked his version of God to forgive his abusers because they didn't understand what they were doing. That is true compassion.
It is said that hurt people hurt people and so a lack of compassion only makes things worse for us all.
I've often found that some people need to be shown true compassion before they are able to water their own compassion seed.
We are born to go.
Life has taught me three parts to the Golden Rule. Have fun, help others and let no harm come to myself or others.
^^^ helping others is fun.
Thanks guys,
Buddhists having fun . . . tsk tsk, all that dukkha and Buddhists having fun . . . well I never . . . hope it is fun without attachments . . .
Keep up the good work.
Found the right path again!
To always look at life with the eyes of a pupil...
But you look at life WITH your pupils, so you're obviously doing something right! (Wonder why one word can mean two completely different things....? Am going to investigate!)
Edit: Wow, it's complicated: We have to consider old French and Greek... in a nutshell, the french word originally meant orphan child, (there are masculine/feminine versions) and those who needed close guardianship, or being looked after....it's where we also get the expression of a child being the apple of someone's eye... the ancient Greek word for a small child (one reflected in the curved surface of an eyeball) is the same word they use for pupil, too....
I consider curiosity to be a real bonus when seeking and experiencing Life lessons.... I hope to never stop being curious!
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pupil
Some people are dangerous and have the intent to exploit people who get close enough. They are quite rare . . . but if you have been victimized by a person like that your innocence is gone for a while. It might even seem that there are bad people everywhere you look, but that is not the case at all. It's a delusion from being victimized, all it takes is once.
In the meantime you WILL understand how even truly dangerous people 'deserve' compassion. Being victimized by one (and not everyone has been) gives you a special side class to the life long learning of compassion.
Avoid the persons who do not 'deserve' and focus on your own practice. It will show you how to have compassion for such persons in time.
I think your use of the word 'deserve' is perhaps not quite accurate in meaning, and if English is your second language, there might be a 'better' word than deserve. I get what you mean by it, though. "to deserve" is a phrase very easy to misunderstand and be misused even by first language English speakers.
Well, curiosity, or the condition of living in awe are at the root of how philosophy came to be. So I've been told.
:wave: ..
Life has taught me that there will always be ups and downs because things change but it's up to you to keep it positive. Also, a smile goes a long way. Also, Buddhism changed my life! Oh and to be my self and better my self and not care what people think. To be compassionate and more open to helping just to know I help others.
Thanks guys . . .
You haz self? Don't tell any of them Buddhists or they might want to know what that self is . . .
Glad to hear that dharma and life lessons are working out. The two are often interdependent . . . we find what is useful and skilful and allow the rest to just rest easy . . . well that is my plan
:wave: .