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I noticed this on another forum and thought it might amuse you. I don't think it's clear which school these annoying evangelising Buddhists are from though! And what boss would hire a bunch of Buddhists?!
He's so nutty. He also told a lady a couple weeks ago (not the only time, either) that allowing her daughter to do yoga would make her daughter turn "hindu." I'll never understand why some Christians are so afraid. If they are so strong in their faith and beliefs, why is it so necessary to avoid everything different so that they don't get infected by it? I also wonder about the so-called preaching Buddhists. LOL. What do they do, talk about love and compassion all day? I also find it interesting that there is a place (most likely in the US) where ALL of the employees are Buddhist. Where does this person work, Naropa University?
Evangelists, like politicians, discovered a long time ago that the most disturbing truths beside us are best avoided through the development of alternative fears.
There was an old man walking down the steeet, when he heard an awful sound. He wanted to investigate where it came from and it was a little boy playing the violin. The old man told himself: "wow! That instrument is awful!"
A couple months later, he heard a beautiful melody. Also, being curious about it, he went to investigate and found a beautiful orchestra playing multiples instruments, including that one instrument he did not enjoy at all.
Musical Instruments = religions. Possibly some this Christian gentleman did not understand _yet_ what religion is all about (love, kindness, acceptance). His time will come!
I find it sad because the person who called in to Pat Robertson has a terrific opportunity to have civil discussion with someone who has (supposedly) similar values with a slightly different path. It could have lead to a wonderful partnership and work environment had they learned to work together. A missed opportunity for good fortune, no doubt.
Also, I find it funny Pat Robertson is telling this caller that his Buddhist co-workers will "suck him in." What does he think he tries to do with his religion? LOL
How can this people actually live on a daily basis within the square-metre narrowness of their mind?
This stumps me completely...
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DavidA human residing in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Ancestral territory of the Erie, Haudenosaunee, Huron-Wendat, Mississauga and Neutral First NationsVeteran
I guess he has no faith in the faith of Christianity.
@karasti said:
I find it sad because the person who called in to Pat Robertson has a terrific opportunity to have civil discussion with someone who has (supposedly) similar values with a slightly different path. It could have lead to a wonderful partnership and work environment had they learned to work together. A missed opportunity for good fortune, no doubt.
Also, I find it funny Pat Robertson is telling this caller that his Buddhist co-workers will "suck him in." What does he think he tries to do with his religion? LOL
Over the years, we should have all become fully aware that having "civil discussion" with someone like Pat Robertson (or certain Buddhists or certain any religion) is just not going to happen.
But in a sense, I do agree that if you are introduced to people of a different faith/religion, you may "get sucked in". And that really isn't about "them" "sucking you in". It's about getting "sucked in" by the beauty or brilliance of what you may see. The vast majority of us on this forum got "sucked in" by what we saw in Buddhism. Few of us said to ourselves, "Well, it's Tuesday, I guess I'll go out and explore Buddhism". No. We met someone who was Buddhist and they showed us something (intentionally or by accident). Or we visited Thailand and were fascinating by the temples. Or we watched a movie and it piqued our interest. Or we read a book while in a college class. One way or another we "got sucked in".
And you see, what Pat Robertson said is a demonstration of the fear that closed-minded "religionists" always have -- that someone in their religion will wander when they find an alternative. And that scares them because they see that as weakening their religion. And so, they react out of fear. If we can dispassionately look at an occasional post in this forum, we can see reactions based on that same kind of fear, because that's what putting down another religion is pretty much all about -- fear.
@ourself said: > I guess he has no faith in the faith of Christianity.
It makes you wonder. If such people were really secure in their faith then why would they need to bash other religions? A similar thing I've seen is theists do is to get all defensive and say that it isn't just their religion that has strange ideas in it. That may be so, but again, why the need to keep saying it?
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DavidA human residing in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Ancestral territory of the Erie, Haudenosaunee, Huron-Wendat, Mississauga and Neutral First NationsVeteran
edited March 2015
They obviously can't be. He's afraid Christians will "catch" Buddhism.
DavidA human residing in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Ancestral territory of the Erie, Haudenosaunee, Huron-Wendat, Mississauga and Neutral First NationsVeteran
edited March 2015
Yes, the message seems to make sense even if the messenger was not the son of a scary deity.
I can see how people like Robertson would be afraid of people hearing the dharma.
@vinlyn I agree. But it's our choice to get sucked in, and it isn't something that happens against our will, not usually I don't think. When I fell into Buddhism, I was searching. Not actively, but not set in a system, either. It's not like I was an active, faithful, believing Christian and was suddenly exposed to Buddhism that involuntarily sucked me away from Christianity. If that makes sense. Usually it is willful, and a process.
As far as the civil discussion I mentioned, I meant between the caller and his Buddhist co-workers. The caller had an opportunity to have a good discussion with his co-workers before he opted to get Pat's advice. Talk about infecting, now Pat Robertson just infected the poor caller with ignorance and fear.
I saw that, also. It was supposedly an email sent in. I doubt the email was legitimate. These types of programs have been busted going go so far as to get fake callers with scripts to give them something to talk about. To begin with, where in the USA is a person going to find themselves surrounded by Buddhists at the workplace, especially ones that want to talk about their religion? Even a family of Buddhists in a Thai restaurant would not be interested in "converting the American". Witnessing is something Christians do so they assume all other religions go around doing it, too.
Pat says amazingly stupid things every week on his program that get reported. It's sort of "Guess what the crazy old man said last week?" Buddhism is like a disease, you can catch it from being around those people. Gays are going around wearing rings with needles trying to infect people with aids, so don't shake their hand. That sort of thing. It's sad, really.
And when the old man dies, politicians and other preachers will gush over what a great religious figure he was.
Maybe the person who complained initially is so ignorant about religion outside of their childhood faith that they assume anyone with a vaguely New Age approach to life is a "Buddhist." So, all the people at work talking about yoga, herbs, natural healing, stress relief, their astrological forecast, etc are "Buddhists" from the standpoint of this poor overwhelmed person. It's tough being ignorant.
Maybe the buddhists at his work place could be "doing wrong" by trying to preach the other dude, though, dont you guys think?
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DavidA human residing in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Ancestral territory of the Erie, Haudenosaunee, Huron-Wendat, Mississauga and Neutral First NationsVeteran
@dantepw said:
Maybe the buddhists at his work place could be "doing wrong" by trying to preach the other dude, though, dont you guys think?
Yes, although I don't often see preaching Buddhists (other than to other Buddhists), that is still a possibility. It's hard for us to say what the exact environment at question is. And it may just really be a case of something different making someone feel uncomfortable. But we should take the situation at face value, realizing that it may not be what it appears.
It's too late...It's only a matter of time before Buddhism works its evil magic on that poor innocent Christian lady...She can't run -she can't hide, it will get to her sooner or later...
And as for Mr Robertson, the poor sod, he is only doing what he has been "conditioned" to do...
If we can dispassionately look at an occasional post in this forum, we can see reactions based on that same kind of fear, because that's what putting down another religion is pretty much all about -- fear.
A well-founded fear, in some instances. Being as narrow-minded as Pat Robertson is not harmless. It's not a stretch to compare that kind of narrow-mindedness to the hyper-focus on literal jihad (holy war). Or to the efforts some school boards have gone to to include Intelligent Design in the science curriculum because teaching children 'evolution' might cause them to see no need for the Christian God.
A criticism of another religion that goes beyond name calling, for instance, is necessary at times. But insulting or name-calling another religion, like Pat Robertson is doing, is exactly what you say -- all about fear.
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He's so nutty. He also told a lady a couple weeks ago (not the only time, either) that allowing her daughter to do yoga would make her daughter turn "hindu." I'll never understand why some Christians are so afraid. If they are so strong in their faith and beliefs, why is it so necessary to avoid everything different so that they don't get infected by it? I also wonder about the so-called preaching Buddhists. LOL. What do they do, talk about love and compassion all day? I also find it interesting that there is a place (most likely in the US) where ALL of the employees are Buddhist. Where does this person work, Naropa University?
Evangelical Christians seem to indulge regularly in bashing other faiths, I assume they think that attack is the best form of defence.
The art of misdirection.
Evangelists, like politicians, discovered a long time ago that the most disturbing truths beside us are best avoided through the development of alternative fears.
Yes, very true.
A couple months later, he heard a beautiful melody. Also, being curious about it, he went to investigate and found a beautiful orchestra playing multiples instruments, including that one instrument he did not enjoy at all.
Musical Instruments = religions. Possibly some this Christian gentleman did not understand _yet_ what religion is all about (love, kindness, acceptance). His time will come!
Evangelical Christians never seem very Christian to me.
I find it sad because the person who called in to Pat Robertson has a terrific opportunity to have civil discussion with someone who has (supposedly) similar values with a slightly different path. It could have lead to a wonderful partnership and work environment had they learned to work together. A missed opportunity for good fortune, no doubt.
Also, I find it funny Pat Robertson is telling this caller that his Buddhist co-workers will "suck him in." What does he think he tries to do with his religion? LOL
How can this people actually live on a daily basis within the square-metre narrowness of their mind?
This stumps me completely...
Over the years, we should have all become fully aware that having "civil discussion" with someone like Pat Robertson (or certain Buddhists or certain any religion) is just not going to happen.
But in a sense, I do agree that if you are introduced to people of a different faith/religion, you may "get sucked in". And that really isn't about "them" "sucking you in". It's about getting "sucked in" by the beauty or brilliance of what you may see. The vast majority of us on this forum got "sucked in" by what we saw in Buddhism. Few of us said to ourselves, "Well, it's Tuesday, I guess I'll go out and explore Buddhism". No. We met someone who was Buddhist and they showed us something (intentionally or by accident). Or we visited Thailand and were fascinating by the temples. Or we watched a movie and it piqued our interest. Or we read a book while in a college class. One way or another we "got sucked in".
And you see, what Pat Robertson said is a demonstration of the fear that closed-minded "religionists" always have -- that someone in their religion will wander when they find an alternative. And that scares them because they see that as weakening their religion. And so, they react out of fear. If we can dispassionately look at an occasional post in this forum, we can see reactions based on that same kind of fear, because that's what putting down another religion is pretty much all about -- fear.
You had me at "Quit your job".
It makes you wonder. If such people were really secure in their faith then why would they need to bash other religions? A similar thing I've seen is theists do is to get all defensive and say that it isn't just their religion that has strange ideas in it. That may be so, but again, why the need to keep saying it?
Know what's really scary?
Rich, religious nutjobs.
Buddhism is a bit infectious though.
I can see how people like Robertson would be afraid of people hearing the dharma.
I think we should send him a copy of the Kalama Sutta.
So if someone where to quit their job out of fear of being sucked in then what. Somehow I doubt Mr Robertson would help the poor sucker out.
@vinlyn I agree. But it's our choice to get sucked in, and it isn't something that happens against our will, not usually I don't think. When I fell into Buddhism, I was searching. Not actively, but not set in a system, either. It's not like I was an active, faithful, believing Christian and was suddenly exposed to Buddhism that involuntarily sucked me away from Christianity. If that makes sense. Usually it is willful, and a process.
As far as the civil discussion I mentioned, I meant between the caller and his Buddhist co-workers. The caller had an opportunity to have a good discussion with his co-workers before he opted to get Pat's advice. Talk about infecting, now Pat Robertson just infected the poor caller with ignorance and fear.
I saw that, also. It was supposedly an email sent in. I doubt the email was legitimate. These types of programs have been busted going go so far as to get fake callers with scripts to give them something to talk about. To begin with, where in the USA is a person going to find themselves surrounded by Buddhists at the workplace, especially ones that want to talk about their religion? Even a family of Buddhists in a Thai restaurant would not be interested in "converting the American". Witnessing is something Christians do so they assume all other religions go around doing it, too.
Pat says amazingly stupid things every week on his program that get reported. It's sort of "Guess what the crazy old man said last week?" Buddhism is like a disease, you can catch it from being around those people. Gays are going around wearing rings with needles trying to infect people with aids, so don't shake their hand. That sort of thing. It's sad, really.
And when the old man dies, politicians and other preachers will gush over what a great religious figure he was.
Maybe the person who complained initially is so ignorant about religion outside of their childhood faith that they assume anyone with a vaguely New Age approach to life is a "Buddhist." So, all the people at work talking about yoga, herbs, natural healing, stress relief, their astrological forecast, etc are "Buddhists" from the standpoint of this poor overwhelmed person. It's tough being ignorant.
I seriously doubt the other dude or the Buddhists in question even exist.
Dollars to doughnuts he faked the email.
Pat Robertson is a flake and the truth has never gotten in the way of his claims.
Yes, although I don't often see preaching Buddhists (other than to other Buddhists), that is still a possibility. It's hard for us to say what the exact environment at question is. And it may just really be a case of something different making someone feel uncomfortable. But we should take the situation at face value, realizing that it may not be what it appears.
I just really don't like that he's in the air
"Quit your job if you work with Buddhists!"
It's too late...It's only a matter of time before Buddhism works its evil magic on that poor innocent Christian lady...She can't run -she can't hide, it will get to her sooner or later...
And as for Mr Robertson, the poor sod, he is only doing what he has been "conditioned" to do...
^^^ Wow...that cartoon!!! Never seen it!! Love it!!
@Vastmind - I think that cartoon is from some computer program where you can make your own cartoon by typing in the dialogue.
@Vinlyn said:
A well-founded fear, in some instances. Being as narrow-minded as Pat Robertson is not harmless. It's not a stretch to compare that kind of narrow-mindedness to the hyper-focus on literal jihad (holy war). Or to the efforts some school boards have gone to to include Intelligent Design in the science curriculum because teaching children 'evolution' might cause them to see no need for the Christian God.
A criticism of another religion that goes beyond name calling, for instance, is necessary at times. But insulting or name-calling another religion, like Pat Robertson is doing, is exactly what you say -- all about fear.