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Becoming closer to the sleep-self

KeromeKerome Love, love is mysteryThe Continent Veteran

I would like to discuss a process I have observed in myself over the last couple of years, that I have been growing closer to the self I have when I’m asleep. What I mean by that is that good, solid sleep for me is something quite close to meditation: my body comes to rest, my mind quietens down, and a kind of blissfulness comes over me.

When I wake up in the morning this kind of space still hangs over me. I’m aware, my consciousness has a great deal of clarity because my mind is quiet. It’s like parts of me are still asleep, and I can enjoy the morning silence without becoming involved in any deep thoughts, just being in the here and now.

So over the months and years I have noticed an appreciation of this sleep-space coming over me, and it also seems to be lasting longer and being connected to my awareness of my dreams. Too much attention paid to dreams doesn’t seem like it helps, but being aware of the energetic subtext of dreams does seem to help in exploring these spaces.

I’m slowly becoming convinced that sleep is on some level a deeply joyful experience, that when we sleep well we generate a kind of positive energy. I’ve read that there are some links between sleep and samadhi, it’s something I would like to explore.

BunksAlex

Comments

  • DakiniDakini Veteran Veteran

    The hormones that govern sleep are the same hormones that govern your parasympathetic nervous system, and that create those feel-good endorphins after exertion ("runners' high"), sex, and other pleasurable experiences. You're onto something, OP.

    Kerome
  • BunksBunks Veteran Australia Veteran

    A Tibetan teacher I've followed a bit over the years stated that going to sleep is a similar experience to death.

    Apparently when we die the consciousness goes back in to our heart centre.

    And if we watch closely enough at the point of sleep we should be able to feel the experience of this occurring.

    There's a challenge for you...... :)

    Kerome
  • KeromeKerome Love, love is mystery The Continent Veteran

    @Bunks said:
    Apparently when we die the consciousness goes back in to our heart centre.

    And if we watch closely enough at the point of sleep we should be able to feel the experience of this occurring.

    There's a challenge for you...... :)

    Yes, that’s similar to what Osho also says about sleep, that when you sleep your consciousness returns to the centre of your being. That’s why sleep is so restorative.

    I’ll try and experiment some with the moment of sleep, certainly with dreams you can learn to remember them more clearly. But I think this movement of the consciousness returning is more interesting.

    BunksAlex
  • AlexAlex Explorer UK Explorer

    I’ve read some Osho recently. A couple of books. Very insightful stuff. He cuts through the fripperies and gets to the heart of things. Not as mad as I thought he was ! In fact, I’m starting to wonder whether he had things rather right.

    BunkslobsterKerome
  • lobsterlobster Veteran Veteran

    Not as mad as I thought he was!

    Activities speak better than zzz ...
    Think again.
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-the-crazy-sex-cult-that-invaded-oregon

    and here is a genuine falsity ...

    Alex
  • AlexAlex Explorer UK Explorer

    @lobster Thanks Lobster ! I’m fully aware of the Osho story - if one reads some of his later work, however, it is fascinating. Direct, insightful and resonant. I believe that in his latter years, he adopted Zen and it’s probably those writings that chime with me, as it’s the path I follow.

    Re the film.....crazy. I love it ! 😂

    Kerome
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator

    Lies become Truth, Truth reverts to Lies. Where fact and fiction overlap, Wonderment can nest and grow... Do you nourish or neglect it?

    Aye, there's the rub...

    lobster
  • KeromeKerome Love, love is mystery The Continent Veteran
    edited February 13

    @Alex said:
    I’m fully aware of the Osho story - if one reads some of his later work, however, it is fascinating. Direct, insightful and resonant.

    I agree, he can be very lucid and can come at subjects from very original angles. I’ve found that his writings can move you towards a deeper freedom, away from all the restrictions that society tries to lay on you.

    Wild, Wild Country was in my eyes more a study of what can happen in a commune of spiritual seekers where a guru stops talking and largely withdraws. It’s a fascinating documentary which lets you make up your own mind about events back then, but it doesn’t say much about Osho’s actual teachings, its almost entirely about the commune and its outside relationships.

    Alex
  • AlexAlex Explorer UK Explorer

    Spot on @Kerome 👍

    Osho actually lost control of the commune, I think, was kept in the dark. Ignorance is no defence, I know that, but I don’t think he himself was as crackers as he’s portrayed.

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