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Mantraing

In Vajrayana in particular, mantra is a way to:

  • unfold a resonate dharma component
  • quiet internal monkey chatter
  • generate blessing, focus and perfectly right speech

Powerful practice.
Recently I tried but had forgotten the migtsema. Bad lobster!
http://www.lama-tsongkhapa.com/migtsema/

No worries it will soon be back in what I laughingly call my mind.
https://cundi.weebly.com/yidam.html

Here are my top tips for chanting be glad for your tips/experiences?

  • Start aloud, reduce the volume until quieter than a whisper. When ready no sound at all. Internal.
  • Mala not essential, timing/numbers not required BUT this can focus your practice initially.
  • Try to not mindless sleep chant. Yep still guilty of distractions at times :3

Migmey tzeway terchen chenray-zi
Drimey kyenpay wangpo jampel-yang
Dupung malu jomdzay sangway-dag
Gangchen kaypay tzug-gyen tzongkapa
Losang dragpay shabla solwa-deb

Comments

  • JeroenJeroen Do it with a smile Netherlands Veteran
    edited August 28

    I remember reading somewhere that repeating mantra's is really a form of self hypnosis? I've never gotten very far with that technique myself but I wonder what other people's comments are on this.

  • NeridaNerida Denmark Explorer

    @Kerome said:
    I remember reading somewhere that repeating mantra's is really a form of self hypnosis? I've never gotten very far with that technique myself but I wonder what other people's comments are on this.

    I have sometimes found myself at the end of a Green Tara mantra cycle feeling like I'm coming out of a trance because I settle, unconsciously into a rhythm with the words and the words lose meaning and sense and the pattern of repetition is what lulls me into the meditation. If that makes sense?

    Shoshin1Bunks
  • lobsterlobster Veteran

    Welcome @Nerida <3

    What you describe is the ‘mindless sleep chant’ or hypnotic trance state @Kerome mentions. Chanting can be a way of occupying monkey mind or merely the opposite of attentive mindful focus. So your your experience makes sense but how is it different to drowsing/drifting to calming music?

    OM TARE TUTTARE TURE SOHA

  • JeroenJeroen Do it with a smile Netherlands Veteran

    It's entirely possible that mantra chanting has the hypnotic effect on only part of the mind and that the rest stays alert and awake, I would think.

  • Hmm perhaps chanting a mantra is a way to bring together/harmonise the different energies of the vibrating syllables, helping to balance the energy flow which at times can be slightly off...going against the flow ...

    After all.... the psycho-physical phenomenon called the self, is just a vibrating bundles of energy flux held together by karmic glue....

    Chanting mantras helps the sense of self get back into the rhythm of life ...so to speak...

  • NeridaNerida Denmark Explorer

    @lobster said:
    Welcome @Nerida <3

    What you describe is the ‘mindless sleep chant’ or hypnotic trance state @Kerome mentions. Chanting can be a way of occupying monkey mind or merely the opposite of attentive mindful focus. So your your experience makes sense but how is it different to drowsing/drifting to calming music?

    OM TARE TUTTARE TURE SOHA

    I only have experienced this since my Green Tara Empowerment.

  • The way I learnt it, The Green Tara empowerment has a faster pace and intensity than other mantras, Green Tara concentrates the mind by some very fast long winded out-breathing. This is a form of hyper ventilation and can indeed produce a light trance.

    More extreme hyper ventilation can produce light headiness, hallucinations and immunity to pain.

    Mantra can zombify you eg.

    • USA USA USA
    • ALLAH AKBAH Viva Taliban
    • OSHO OSHO achoo
    • ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS, MARCHING AS TO WAR

    hope that is helpful B)

    Jeroen
  • FoibleFullFoibleFull Canada Veteran

    Vajrayana says you should not be doing their techniques without the in-person guidance of a qualified teacher (this will be a Lama).
    They say doing it on your own will "drive you crazy" .. even the laypeople and even the Tibetan medical doctor say this.
    And speaking from the standpoint of psychology, I can see why some of the practices/pujas could destabilize our personality or even make us delusional.

    I don't profess to understand why the hand of the teacher keeps us sane ... these are their teachings .. not mine. But sometimes we get people coming to our Centre who have been doing Vajrayana on their own .. they are not "all there", but I do not know if they were off-balance BEFORE they took up Buddhism .. or if this was the result of doing Vajrayana without a teacher.

    Even Zen says that their practices are a waste of your time if you don't have a teacher to work with.

    Only Theravadan Buddhism is designed for the "solitary practitioner".

    lobster
  • lobsterlobster Veteran
    edited September 4

    @FoibleFull said:
    Vajrayana says you should not be doing their techniques without the in-person guidance of a qualified teacher (this will be a Lama).
    They say doing it on your own will "drive you crazy" .. even the laypeople and even the Tibetan medical doctor say this.

    Too late for me. Craziness is my start point. O.o

    Most lamas that I have met are not qualified. The best ones have Mahayana virtues, good intentions and back up. It is the same in all official ‘sane’ spiritual development programs. The blind leading the sheeple.

    However, slowly but surely we may develop powers of recognition, genuine aspiration and insight AND we are all capable of this … a little birdy buddha told me so …

    Baaahhh …

    Jeroen
  • JeroenJeroen Do it with a smile Netherlands Veteran

    @lobster said:
    Most lamas that I have met are not qualified. The best ones have Mahayana virtues, good intentions and back up. It is the same in all official ‘sane’ spiritual development programs. The blind leading the sheeple.

    Now you sound like Osho…

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