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"people with opinions just go around bothering eachother"

edited November 2010 in Buddhism Today
Hi.

I am new to newbuddhist and there's one thing that's been troubling me for a while; that is, the whole concept on opinion.

people in my daily life seem very opinionated about aspects of their lives and i find it difficult to comprehend since i believe that one should keep an open mind in life to experience it fully.

that being said, how can i deal with people who try to force opinions on me, and not look like a pushover when i am 'keeping an open mind' - as often one seems to be considered weak when they are not opinionated on something.

Thanks for your help!

James

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  • nanadhajananadhaja Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Hi.

    I am new to newbuddhist and there's one thing that's been troubling me for a while; that is, the whole concept on opinion.

    people in my daily life seem very opinionated about aspects of their lives and i find it difficult to comprehend since i believe that one should keep an open mind in life to experience it fully.

    that being said, how can i deal with people who try to force opinions on me, and not look like a pushover when i am 'keeping an open mind' - as often one seems to be considered weak when they are not opinionated on something.

    Thanks for your help!

    James
    Hi there.Just a quick note,you will find many opinions on some of these forums.I guess that is just the way we are at times.
    The way I used to deal with people was to let them know that they were entitled to their opinions even if I disagreed with them.However if I found someones opinion to be particularly nasty i.e racist,sexist,homophobic etc then I would let them know that I did not wish to listen to these opinions.
    With metta
  • BonsaiDougBonsaiDoug Simply, on the path. Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

    They are not, however, entitled to their own facts. :)
  • FoibleFullFoibleFull Canada Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Hi.

    I am new to newbuddhist and there's one thing that's been troubling me for a while; that is, the whole concept on opinion.

    people in my daily life seem very opinionated about aspects of their lives and i find it difficult to comprehend since i believe that one should keep an open mind in life to experience it fully.

    that being said, how can i deal with people who try to force opinions on me, and not look like a pushover when i am 'keeping an open mind' - as often one seems to be considered weak when they are not opinionated on something.

    Thanks for your help!

    James

    The key is in understanding. Use their opinions to help improve your understanding and compassion.

    One way is to look at the function of opinions ... having a strong opinion makes us feel very secure. We "understand", we are "right", we have some "control" over this big uncertainty we call Life ... oh the "rewards" of having an opinion are great and many. This is why we become so attached and hooked by our opinions ... all of us, regardless of whether or not we practice Buddhism. To see this in those who are trying to force their opinions down our throat is to open up our heart so that we can work on feeling compassion for others ... to see how desperately they are striving for security and safety, and how insecure and unsafe they must be feeling. We allow ourselves to ache for them.

    Another way is to look at our own inner reactions when someone is trying to force an opinion on us ... opening up to the rawness of our own wish to not look like a pushover (you put it so honestly and so well), and even to our own wish that the world conform to our opinion of what is "proper". This is one of countless ways in which we are attached to the concept of "me". From this vantage we are able to open up our heart so that we can work on feeling compassion for ourselves ... to see how desperately we try to find self-approval and a strong inner footing in our own life. We allow ourselves to ache for ourselves.

    So for those who try to force their opinion down your throat, first look for compassion for them and for yourself. I always find it useful, if words are necessary, to gently say, "You may be right".
  • edited October 2010
    Hi James,

    We all tend to get very attached to our own opinions and we're very influenced by different kinds of conditioning. People also develop religious views about what's right and wrong and we cling on to those too.

    Its always best not to fall too quickly under the influence of others who take strong positions - and just observe and investigate thoroughly in all areas of our experience, whilst remaining gentle with ourselves and others.

    Kind wishes,

    Dazzle


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  • fivebellsfivebells Veteran
    edited October 2010
    that being said, how can i deal with people who try to force opinions on me, and not look like a pushover when i am 'keeping an open mind' - as often one seems to be considered weak when they are not opinionated on something.
    You seem to be concerned that agnosticism will affect how people see you. Why are you worried about their view of you?
  • edited October 2010
    If you've come to the conclusion that someone is being opinionated then you must have already tried reasoning with the person in question and failed, in which case further verbal communication may prove to be redundant unless you can agree to disagree, stubbornly disagree, roll your eyes, shrug your shoulders and other forms of non-verbal communication that I won't go into for breach of right speech or right view.

    After all being open minded does not necessarily mean not having an opinion, it means that you're able to communicate effectively.

    Of course some people just want to have a verbal war, resorting to put downs, insults, shouting and indimidation. Now, if you are open minded then nobody really has a cause to call you a fool or an idiot and use cuss words in sheer frustration. You, on the other hand, do have a good reason to say such things to anyone with such an unassailable position, even though you know it's going to be useless, and maybe unwise to do so.

    The trick is to know whether a persons viewpoint is unassailable or entrenched. If it's the former then it might take a while to sink in; if it's the latter then you're obviously not going to cover any ground.
  • RichardHRichardH Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Hi from Big Sky country.

    Every single one of us is opinionated. Maybe it's the style of opinionating that counts, because when you make a post, you take a position. Consider someone who thinks they are beyond attachment to view, and that the views they express are not their opinion. How scary is that?
  • andyrobynandyrobyn Veteran
    edited October 2010
    Lively debate, as I see it happen with m teacher - no aggression and power play, another YouTube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q71uBAJMFIc&feature=related which I think shows it well
  • edited October 2010
    FoibleFull wrote: »
    The key is in understanding. Use their opinions to help improve your understanding and compassion.

    One way is to look at the function of opinions ... having a strong opinion makes us feel very secure. We "understand", we are "right", we have some "control" over this big uncertainty we call Life ... oh the "rewards" of having an opinion are great and many. This is why we become so attached and hooked by our opinions ... all of us, regardless of whether or not we practice Buddhism. To see this in those who are trying to force their opinions down our throat is to open up our heart so that we can work on feeling compassion for others ... to see how desperately they are striving for security and safety, and how insecure and unsafe they must be feeling. We allow ourselves to ache for them.

    Another way is to look at our own inner reactions when someone is trying to force an opinion on us ... opening up to the rawness of our own wish to not look like a pushover (you put it so honestly and so well), and even to our own wish that the world conform to our opinion of what is "proper". This is one of countless ways in which we are attached to the concept of "me". From this vantage we are able to open up our heart so that we can work on feeling compassion for ourselves ... to see how desperately we try to find self-approval and a strong inner footing in our own life. We allow ourselves to ache for ourselves.

    So for those who try to force their opinion down your throat, first look for compassion for them and for yourself. I always find it useful, if words are necessary, to gently say, "You may be right".

    thank you so much! this has really opened my eyes to a view that i could not see. perhaps i am too focused on what ones opinion does to me, instead of why one may voice an opinion in the first place.

    you are correct, i think that people do come across as very opinionated when they are insecure and are looking for safety in this world also. and compassion seems to be the way that we can deal with this. thank you! :)
  • edited October 2010
    The key is to understand that no opinion is any more valid than another.
  • edited November 2010
    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

    They are not, however, entitled to their own facts. :)

    /agree ^
  • edited November 2010
    There is a reference to this in the Sutta Nipata, one of the oldest texts of Theravada Buddhism.....

    Seeing misery in views and opinions, without adopting any, I found inner peace and freedom. One who is free does not hold to views or dispute opinions. For a sage there is no higher, lower, nor equal, no places in which the mind can stick. But those who grasp after views and opinions only wander about the world annoying people.

    :smilec:
  • edited November 2010
    Hey james, I like your post because I have gone through similar issues of self-doubt, thinking of myself as either a pushover or simply a weak/uninteresting person for having a lack of opinions.

    I tend to think in the moment, and judge things how I see them, when I see them. So I dont frequently carry an opinion with me for long, but rather form them as I go. What this results in is I often change my opinion, or simply don't even express one until I have heard someone elses and see how they perceive it.

    Some people are really outspoken, and do nothing but spout their opinions. Frequently people develop these opinions based on their own experiences...and what I've began to realize is that you can learn a lot about a person by what kind of opinions they hold. Personally I think every person is interesting, and even if they hold an opinion that I don't share, I still think it is intriguing to try to see things from their perspective.

    But like people in this thread have been saying, your own self-worth shouldn't be based on others opinions of you. Whether or not you appear to be a "pushover" shouldn't make any difference to you. Appearances are only appearances, and if you are in touch with your core sense of being then you will never be a pushover.
  • thank you :)
  • genkakugenkaku Northampton, Mass. U.S.A. Veteran
    You don't have to, but there is nothing saying you can't respond with, "That's very interesting. Here's the way I see things."
  • ...that being said, how can i deal with people who try to force opinions on me, and not look like a pushover when i am 'keeping an open mind' - as often one seems to be considered weak when they are not opinionated on something.
    Not attaching to an opinion requires more skill, and possibly strength, than attaching to an opinion.

    Opinions are cherished by many, but the more permanent we let an opinion become, the less skillful we are in mindfulness and awareness. Letting the mind accept reality is skillful.







  • Hmm. My grandmother used to tell me that people should have string convictions. That they should have educated opinions. She equated intelligence with a person who had many strong opinions. However, she also said opinions were like ***holes... everyone's got one.
    I think that opinions should be like holding a good hand of playing cards. We should be willing to discard if one is outdated or incorrect. If more people were willing to hold their opinions lightly, then there wouldn't be so much conflict in the world.
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    Hmm. My grandmother used to tell me that people should have string convictions. That they should have educated opinions. She equated intelligence with a person who had many strong opinions. However, she also said opinions were like ***holes... everyone's got one.
    I think that opinions should be like holding a good hand of playing cards. We should be willing to discard if one is outdated or incorrect. If more people were willing to hold their opinions lightly, then there wouldn't be so much conflict in the world.
    Well put, Malachy. I might just add that at times there's a thin line been opinions and principles.

  • People have strong opinions because they expect to be respected but likes to point out the fault of others to make themselves feel respectaful.

    This world is very naughty :(
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