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Rubbing off on you.

edited November 2010 in Buddhism Basics
Lately I've began to observe people in my silence, and have come to hear and see some.... unnecessarily unpleasant things and I find that when I'm surrounded by it, I start to feel negative myself.
Whether it be just the people I'm forced around or 'friends.' I'm just uncertain lately, any help appreciated.

Thanks.

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  • edited November 2010
    I avoid negativity. Just don't let yourself be negative. If you hear someone else being negative, you KNOW that it's not right and you know that it's not what you want for yourself. I don't even take people seriously when they're being negative. This is how I stop it from rubbing off on me. If at all possible I completely avoid it, though, as it can be hard to not have it rub off on you.
  • edited November 2010
    Counter that negativity with the utmost realistic positivity!

    Be the instrument of change in your group. Be there for your friends and for your strangers. Don't be an island. Break the taboos. Talk it out with lots of humor mixed in to ease people into the idea that they need to be positive!
  • edited November 2010
    per haps try to avoid large group situations so that you have more leverage in the conversation
  • BonsaiDougBonsaiDoug Simply, on the path. Veteran
    edited November 2010
    You're describing "mood contagion" also known as limbic resonance.

    Jack Kornfield, in his book The Wise Heart, describes it like this:

    "Western psychology has documented this phenomenon of 'mood contagion' or limbic resonance. If a person filled with panic or hatred walks into a room, we feel it immediately, and unless we are very mindful, that person's negative state will begin to overtake our own. When a joyfully expressive person walks into a room, we can feel that state as well."
  • edited November 2010
    Thanks, you guys.

    But how do you work it in if all they want to do is bash other people, ideas, etc? Especially if they don't think there's a problem with it.
  • edited November 2010
    Interesting thread. I try to avoid negative people when at all possible. It's one of the reasons I left the military. I'm a person who already suffers from depression and low self esteem. So I find if I'm around these people for any length of time my depression worsens. But I also attribute part of my depression to a negative upbringing. So IMO, being around negativity can have a profound effect on many facets of your life.
  • BonsaiDougBonsaiDoug Simply, on the path. Veteran
    edited November 2010
    billzen wrote: »
    I try to avoid negative people when at all possible.
    Yes - in The Dhammapada, the Buddha does tell us:

    Do not associate with evil friends,
    Do not associate with the lowest of people.
    Associate with virtuous friends,
    Associate with the best of people. (78)


    While I'm not naive enough to think that this is always possible, I too make every effort to make it so.

    Remember the old adage: If you lie down with dogs, you'll get up with fleas.
  • edited November 2010
    More from the Dhammapada:

    It's good to see the noble ones;
    Their company is always a delight.
    Free from the sight of fools,
    One would constantly be happy. [206]

    One who keeps company with fools
    Will grieve for a long, long time.
    Living with fools is painful,
    As is living with foes.
    Living with the wise is delightful,
    Like relatives gathered together. [207]

    Therefore:
    You should follow a good, intellegent person
    Who is wise, insightful, learned,
    Committed to virtue, dutiful, and noble,
    As the moon follows the path of the stars. [208]
  • HumbleHumble Explorer
    edited November 2010
    Association with people of integrity is a factor for stream entry as well.

    The Buddha makes it very clear how important he considers making friends with people of integrity in this sutta.

    SN 45.2 PTS: S v 2
    CDB ii 1524

    Upaddha Sutta: Half (of the Holy Life)
    translated from the Pali by
    Thanissaro Bhikkhu
    © 1997–2010

    I have heard that on one occasion the Blessed One was living among the Sakyans. Now there is a Sakyan town named Sakkara. There Ven. Ananda went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, having bowed down to the Blessed One, sat to one side. As he was sitting there, Ven. Ananda said to the Blessed One, "This is half of the holy life, lord: admirable friendship, admirable companionship, admirable camaraderie."[1]
    "Don't say that, Ananda. Don't say that. Admirable friendship, admirable companionship, admirable camaraderie is actually the whole of the holy life. When a monk has admirable people as friends, companions, & comrades, he can be expected to develop & pursue the noble eightfold path.
    "And how does a monk who has admirable people as friends, companions, & comrades, develop & pursue the noble eightfold path? There is the case where a monk develops right view dependent on seclusion, dependent on dispassion, dependent on cessation, resulting in relinquishment. He develops right resolve ... right speech ... right action ... right livelihood ... right effort ... right mindfulness ... right concentration dependent on seclusion, dependent on dispassion, dependent on cessation, resulting in relinquishment. This is how a monk who has admirable people as friends, companions, & colleagues, develops & pursues the noble eightfold path.
    "And through this line of reasoning one may know how admirable friendship, admirable companionship, admirable camaraderie is actually the whole of the holy life: It is in dependence on me as an admirable friend that beings subject to birth have gained release from birth, that beings subject to aging have gained release from aging, that beings subject to death have gained release from death, that beings subject to sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair have gained release from sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair. It is through this line of reasoning that one may know how admirable friendship, admirable companionship, admirable camaraderie is actually the whole of the holy life."
    Notes

    <dl><dt>1.</dt><dd>As AN 8.54 points out, this means not only associating with good people, but also learning from them and emulating their good qualities. </dd></dl>
  • edited November 2010
    I was wondering, where do you find most of these things with his words?
    Dhammapada is the only one that I have been able to find.

    As well, thanks for the input!
  • cazcaz Veteran United Kingdom Veteran
    edited November 2010
    Yes Buddha certainly says it is most wise for us to keep company that practise only virtue.
    Of course when having to deal with those whom are negative we should maintain a happy mind alone and apply the trainings of viewing them purely and really test how well our Dharma practise is changing our mind :)
  • HumbleHumble Explorer
    edited November 2010
    Most of my links come from http://www.accesstoinsight.org/index.html

    Namaste
  • edited November 2010
    Thank you both.
  • BonsaiDougBonsaiDoug Simply, on the path. Veteran
    edited November 2010
    Humble wrote: »
    Most of my links come from http://www.accesstoinsight.org/index.html

    Namaste
    Same here - a wonderful collection.

    Also, the forum's very own Bhikkhu Samahita and his Saddhamma Sangha web site - "What the Buddha said in plain English: http://what-buddha-said.net/index.htm

    Another great source is "In the Buddha's Words: An Anthology of Discourses from the Pali Canon" by Bhikkhu Bodhi
  • beingbeing Veteran
    edited November 2010
    This thread resonates with my current state of life. Living with my parents feels like sinking deeper and deeper into a slump of negativity as weeks go by. And all this depression suffocates any opportunity for motivation to arise, to get out of this situation. =P
    As I have experienced living on my own for some time, I can surely say, that avoidance is the best practice, if you find staying positive/mindful too hard.
  • edited November 2010
    It would be nice to avoid all the angry negative people, but living the life of a hermit is not an option for me. I try to feel sorry for the people who I see as being negative. I try to remember that they are going through life and encountering so many difficulties and problems and that what I see as negativity is just their suffering. I try to feel sorry for them and remember that none of us acts the way we intend.
  • edited November 2010
    Sometimes, the spouse or children can also turn out to be the source of 'negativity'. No running away from them - will only incur negative karma. :hrm: Better to stick around and 'educate' them, I suppose.
  • edited November 2010
    sukhita wrote: »
    Sometimes, the spouse or children can also turn out to be the source of 'negativity'. No running away from them - will only incur negative karma. :hrm: Better to stick around and 'educate' them, I suppose.


    Stick around yes, educate them, well that has never worked for me.

    All people have the potential for negativity, but we need people, so all you can do is love them, forgive them, and have compassion.

    And of course there will be situations where we have to protect ourselves and move on or stay away when that is the best outcome. It can be a difficult and painful situation when we need to make these decisions and live by them.
  • beingbeing Veteran
    edited November 2010
    Yes. I agree with both of you, sukhita and Yeshe. I take my words back and say, that in a special case, in which being with the people (more than one), who are causing you to become negative yourself, it is wise to avoid interacting with them, if possible. Of course if it is your child or spouse or such you can have an enormous impact on their behavior with your own reactions and should not run away, but try to help with compassion, kindness and understanding instead.
  • andyrobynandyrobyn Veteran
    edited November 2010
    sukhita wrote: »
    Sometimes, the spouse or children can also turn out to be the source of 'negativity'. No running away from them - will only incur negative karma. :hrm: Better to stick around and 'educate' them, I suppose.


    What works best for me is to focus on myself rather than what is presented to me by others - being a " breath of fresh air " to blow away the negativity - speaking and being the example.

    Reminds me of what happened around my family this week - my 14 year old was being argumentative and targetting me recently ... my mother in law and I were engaged in an activity painting at the time ( house painting ) and it wasn't a convenient time to get into any discussion ( or maybe it was, I don't enjoy painting ceilings - lol ).
    My mother in law commented, in her Australian and wonderfully honest style, " gee, mum couldn't shit in the ocean at the moment, could she Beck " - my daughter got it straight away and smiled at me ... then I felt and observed a look of guilt, regret or something negative from her in relation to it all and said " well are you going to get changed and help us or not " which she did and actually enjoyed herself ... later I said that it was like she has on her facebook page " Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we should dance ". She has quoted Nanna's statement to me as a deflection when things was starting to get toey again this week - that's how it works around my home.
  • edited November 2010
    I also have one question, if you could answer:
    I have certain friends but I no longer think I should consider them this way, as they have..... unwholesomeness that we had all once been apart of, and I would like to break away from it, like some of the other people I knew who were once apart of it. I'm just not sure what to do to really 'cut the ties,' if you will.
  • BonsaiDougBonsaiDoug Simply, on the path. Veteran
    edited November 2010
    megahuman wrote: »
    I also have one question, if you could answer:
    I have certain friends but I no longer think I should consider them this way, as they have..... unwholesomeness that we had all once been apart of, and I would like to break away from it, like some of the other people I knew who were once apart of it. I'm just not sure what to do to really 'cut the ties,' if you will.
    If you understand the leaning of all the posts in this thread, I believe you already know the answer.

    The lines I quote in my signature pretty much sums it up for me.

    Just my 2½ cents.
  • edited November 2010
    If you understand the leaning of all the posts in this thread, I believe you already know the answer.

    The lines I quote in my signature pretty much sums it up for me.

    Just my 2½ cents.

    I had to reread some of the posts, but you are right.
  • seeker242seeker242 Zen Florida, USA Veteran
    edited November 2010
    megahuman wrote: »
    Lately I've began to observe people in my silence, and have come to hear and see some.... unnecessarily unpleasant things and I find that when I'm surrounded by it, I start to feel negative myself.
    Whether it be just the people I'm forced around or 'friends.' I'm just uncertain lately, any help appreciated.

    Thanks.

    Focusing on Metta is a very good "protection" from this negativity. It is true that the Buddha advises not to associate with negative people. However, sometimes that is just not possible. Your boss, coworkers, relatives, etc. might be acting/speaking negatively. Loving-kindness is the great protector. :)
  • edited November 2010
    megahuman wrote: »
    I also have one question, if you could answer:
    I have certain friends but I no longer think I should consider them this way, as they have..... unwholesomeness that we had all once been apart of, and I would like to break away from it, like some of the other people I knew who were once apart of it. I'm just not sure what to do to really 'cut the ties,' if you will.


    Do what you have to, find new friends and places!

    Best wishes and many blessings!
  • hermitwinhermitwin Veteran
    edited November 2010
    Observe it! What are your thoughts?
    What is your emotion? Be detached.
  • edited November 2010
    Same here - a wonderful collection.

    Also, the forum's very own Bhikkhu Samahita and his Saddhamma Sangha web site - "What the Buddha said in plain English: http://what-buddha-said.net/index.htm

    Another great source is "In the Buddha's Words: An Anthology of Discourses from the Pali Canon" by Bhikkhu Bodhi

    I actually picked that book up the other day. :p
  • edited November 2010
    hermitwin wrote: »
    Observe it! What are your thoughts?
    What is your emotion? Be detached.



    Stay away from the feeling of dislike or thoughts of.. whatever, and just remain at peace?
  • finding0finding0 Veteran
    edited November 2010
    We become what we surround our selves in. What we surrounds our selves in influences are thoughts. And what we think manifest into who we are
  • edited November 2010
    I made a new step- I was able to cut a tie with someone. I told them I would still help them if they needed it though.
    It was a bit tough. :/
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