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Buddha-nature and Bodhisattva Path in Mahayana

Invincible_summerInvincible_summer Heavy Metal DhammaWe(s)t coast, Canada Veteran
edited December 2010 in Buddhism Basics
So as I understand it, Mahayana Buddhism posits that we are all already Enlightened as we all have Buddha-nature. The problem is bringing that out from under our delusions.


But if another key aspect of Mahayana is to postpone Buddhahood and take the Bodhisattva path, then are we supposed to never fully bring out our inner Buddha-nature?


I thought I sort of grasped these concepts before, but now I feel confused :confused:

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  • edited December 2010
    As I understand it, We have the potentail to become Enlightened, our Buddha Nature, That has been covered over by duluded thinking and the habits of Samsara.

    We are not buried Enlightened Beings, the potentail to become Enlightened is what has been buried.

    The Vow is a specific affermation to remain of service to all Beings and to continue to return to this world, this realm, for as long as it takes to free all Beings from suffering.

    Those that take the Vow can accumulate great merit due to the intention to remain of service and never to give up on any being no matter what that being may have done. There are 37 Practices of a Bodhisattva that one can use to gain merit and to be of maximim service.

    I was given the Vow a few months ago by the Abbot of my Monestary and have found that it has much inproved my focus and abilty to be of service and to gain some insight both to myself and to the suffering of others.

    There is a very good explaination of this in the "Jewel Orniment of Liberation" by Gampopa.

    The goal is not to give up our intention to become Enlightened but to ensure that every Being will make that same jouney. Those that take the Vow and live by it as best that they can make a choice to continue to return to a place of pain and suffering for as long as it takes for all to be free.

    I think, but am not quite sure how this works that some fully enlightened Beings do return as a way to guide others. This is a sacrifice that they make out of compassion.

    I know I rambled a bit here, I hope it makes a bit of sense.
  • edited December 2010
    My understanding is that it's not exactly postponement of Buddhahood, but postponement of passage into final nirvana- I guess that could be interpreted as postponement of Buddhahood, but my understanding is that a Buddha can still live in the world as a Bodhisattva.

    I also understand this as partly metaphorical, such that a person is encouraged to engage in the Bodhisattva practice in order to work on practicing compassion.
  • CinorjerCinorjer Veteran
    edited December 2010
    As I understand it, We have the potentail to become Enlightened, our Buddha Nature, That has been covered over by duluded thinking and the habits of Samsara.

    We are not buried Enlightened Beings, the potentail to become Enlightened is what has been buried.

    The Vow is a specific affermation to remain of service to all Beings and to continue to return to this world, this realm, for as long as it takes to free all Beings from suffering.

    Those that take the Vow can accumulate great merit due to the intention to remain of service and never to give up on any being no matter what that being may have done. There are 37 Practices of a Bodhisattva that one can use to gain merit and to be of maximim service.

    I was given the Vow a few months ago by the Abbot of my Monestary and have found that it has much inproved my focus and abilty to be of service and to gain some insight both to myself and to the suffering of others.

    There is a very good explaination of this in the "Jewel Orniment of Liberation" by Gampopa.

    The goal is not to give up our intention to become Enlightened but to ensure that every Being will make that same jouney. Those that take the Vow and live by it as best that they can make a choice to continue to return to a place of pain and suffering for as long as it takes for all to be free.

    I think, but am not quite sure how this works that some fully enlightened Beings do return as a way to guide others. This is a sacrifice that they make out of compassion.

    I know I rambled a bit here, I hope it makes a bit of sense.

    That was a very good way of putting it, and a deep bow to you, for accepting the vows.

    Buddha-nature isn't really a big thing, just a way of pointing out that everyone has the potential to be a Buddha. No matter how miserable, cruel, or selfish someone is, there is always the seed of Buddhahood that can blossom if that person puts the necessary effort into cultivating a clear mind.

    And, the Bodhisattva Vow can be summed up as "May I attain Buddhahood for the benefit of all beings!" We don't stop our personal effort, we just realize that we're all in this together. Or, in Western terms, I vow that nobody gets left behind. I don't vow to save all beings today, or even in this lifetime, and I certainly didn't vow to do it alone. I can use all the help I can get.

    "The vow of the Bodhisattva is that she will not go into Nirvana until every single suffering being has entered Nirvana. One has to understand what this means. Our awakening is not a personal triumph. We do not have to win a spiritual sprint. We are one mind. Awakening is to penetrate more and more deeply into this truth. The world is alive. And as long as there is suffering then this living whole is shattered. Whether it is my suffering or the suffering of another, when seen from the perspective of the Bodhisattva makes no difference, because, seen from this perspective there is no ‘me’ or ‘another.’ In the Diamond Sutra, “Although the Bodhisattva saves all sentient beings, there are no sentient beings to save.”
    Albert Low
  • CloudCloud Veteran
    edited December 2010
    The absolute best example of this may be what the Buddha did; he became free and had no needs/wants in this life... but "came back" to the world of suffering and spent his next 45 years helping others to escape that world. Jesus/Yeshua of Nazareth (Jesus Christ) is another great example of the power of compassion, both as the way and a teaching. We may not be that successful (:)), but having such dedication to selfless service (either before or after enlightenment) can never be a bad thing! How we go about this will depend upon our beliefs and our practice, but with compassion and wisdom we awaken the world.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited December 2010
    Billy Bragg:
    The time that it takes to make a baby
    Can be the time it takes to make a cup of tea
    The love that we have is so important
  • genkakugenkaku Northampton, Mass. U.S.A. Veteran
    edited December 2010
    Those that take the Vow can accumulate great merit due to the intention to remain of service and never to give up on any being no matter what that being may have done.
    Perhaps we can be a little skeptical about the matter of accumulating merit since any accumulation could hardly be counted on as much more than another shiny barrier.

    For example, here is one version of Bodhidharma's encounter with the Emperor Wu:
    Bodhidharma was invited to visit the Emperor Wu of Liang, who was a great patron of Buddhism. The Emperor had built many monasteries, and he asked Bodhidharma what merit his generosity had earned. "No merit," said Bodhidharma. Startled, the Emperor asked Bodhidharma the supreme truth of the Dharma. "Vast emptiness; nothing holy," replied Bodhidharma. Finally, the Emperor asked, "Who are you?" "I know not," said Bodhidharma.
    "Nothing holy" sounds to me like a pretty good recipe for an honest bodhisattva.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited December 2010
    genkaku you might post that in the Trungpa thread :)
  • Invincible_summerInvincible_summer Heavy Metal Dhamma We(s)t coast, Canada Veteran
    edited December 2010
    As I understand it, We have the potentail to become Enlightened, our Buddha Nature, That has been covered over by duluded thinking and the habits of Samsara.

    We are not buried Enlightened Beings, the potentail to become Enlightened is what has been buried.

    The Vow is a specific affermation to remain of service to all Beings and to continue to return to this world, this realm, for as long as it takes to free all Beings from suffering.

    Those that take the Vow can accumulate great merit due to the intention to remain of service and never to give up on any being no matter what that being may have done. There are 37 Practices of a Bodhisattva that one can use to gain merit and to be of maximim service.

    I was given the Vow a few months ago by the Abbot of my Monestary and have found that it has much inproved my focus and abilty to be of service and to gain some insight both to myself and to the suffering of others.

    There is a very good explaination of this in the "Jewel Orniment of Liberation" by Gampopa.

    The goal is not to give up our intention to become Enlightened but to ensure that every Being will make that same jouney. Those that take the Vow and live by it as best that they can make a choice to continue to return to a place of pain and suffering for as long as it takes for all to be free.

    I think, but am not quite sure how this works that some fully enlightened Beings do return as a way to guide others. This is a sacrifice that they make out of compassion.

    I know I rambled a bit here, I hope it makes a bit of sense.

    This was excellent! Thank you
  • hermitwinhermitwin Veteran
    edited December 2010
    Most of us will never reach nirvana in our lifetime, so how relevant is the vow?
    Just focus on meditation and try to be mindful in your daily life.
  • CloudCloud Veteran
    edited December 2010
    That's exactly why we should cultivate compassion in this way hermitwin (making a vow to ourselves over and over that we should not rest while there are others who suffer). As you say we may not reach enlightenment, but what is there after Nirvana if we did? Only compassion; there would be no further task for one's self anyway.

    To walk the path without cultivating compassion would only be a hindrance, a barrier, to awakening. This means that not only do we help others, but we also cultivate wholesome states that quicken the enlightenment process. It's all good. :)

    Focusing entirely on the cultivation of wisdom may lead to enlightenment. Focusing entirely on the cultivation of compassion may lead to enlightenment. IMHO a balance of these is the fastest track, for the enlightened mind is one of perfect wisdom and perfect compassion. This is how we should align our own minds, in accord with the Noble Eightfold Path and with Right Effort mindfully applied.

    The specific vow itself, and the thought of "Bodhisattva", is not the important part. That's both personal and traditional. The importance is in our intention to awaken and to alleviate the suffering of others. It doesn't matter what tradition you follow or what you call yourself.
  • edited December 2010
    hermitwin wrote: »
    Most of us will never reach nirvana in our lifetime, so how relevant is the vow?
    Just focus on meditation and try to be mindful in your daily life.

    I use the Vow in the same way that I use the other tools / practices that I have learned. It is a reminder that there is a more effective, more compassionate way to deal with the world in moments when I might be tempted to give into anger or do something to harm, rather than hurt.

    It is a way to remain mindful and serve others, If I work on that each day, Nirvana will take care of itself.
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