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Losing Weight

VincenziVincenzi Veteran
edited March 2011 in General Banter
it may sound silly, but sometimes I wonder if losing weight is OK with Buddhism or if it is "attachment to self image".
obviously eating disorders and over-excercising are not fine.
were to draw the line? whats the healthiest way to lose weight?

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  • Well, in theory, if your weight isn't bringing you any health problems, you wouldn't really have much good reason to want to lose it...unless you were concerned with your self-image. So, in that sense....buddhism would probably tell you "hey, it doesn't REALLY matter how you look man/woman"

    In reality though, it's not up to buddhism to decide what you want to do with your own body :)

    Healthiest way to lose weight would be to cut down on food that you don't really need. Not eating more carbo-hydrates than you need, nor more fat nor more proteins. And exercising and drinking lots of water.
  • I don't think it's so much a matter of weight than it is a matter of health. If your BMI is outside the healthy range, then you're probably not exercising enough and/or overeating. Of course there are exceptions.

    If you don't get breathless after walking up some stairs or something like that and you can physically do everything you want to do then you're probably fine.
  • zidanguszidangus Veteran
    edited March 2011
    Well Buddha taught us to live the middle way, so I would guess if someone has an excess intake of food then a reduction in the food eaten especially junk food, would be an alright way to lose weight. So basically I think the Buddhist way would be to just avoid the extremes of eating to much and not eating enough, and of course exercise can also be a big help.

    Metta to all sentient beings
  • it may sound silly, but sometimes I wonder if losing weight is OK with Buddhism or if it is "attachment to self image".
    Like anything, it depends on your motivation. If your only motivation is vanity, then it's just vanity (aka ego). If your goal is to improve your health, quality of life, and longevity, then there's *absolutely* nothing wrong with it, and you should most definitely do it!


  • ZaylZayl Veteran
    It is true our body may be just a raft, but that does not mean we should let our raft fall to shambles. I am undergoing physical training not out of aesthetic vanity, but for more athletic pursuits. I plan on following both professions and hobbies that will demand much from my body.
  • Most of us dont get enough exercise. Just do it ! 3X a week.

  • Healthiest way to lose weight would be to cut down on food that you don't really need. Not eating more carbo-hydrates than you need, nor more fat nor more proteins. And exercising and drinking lots of water.
    I agree with pretty much all of that. Though I would say, as someone who has lost 75 lbs over the past year or so, don't worry so much about carbohydrates vs. fats/proteins. Find out what your basal metabolic rate is, and how many calories you burn with your daily activities/exercise, and eat fewer calories than that.

    Exercise. Exercise is great, it increases muscle mass/muscle tone, metabolism, and is good for overall cardiovascular health. Drinking water is very important like Epicurus said, as the liver is responsible for metabolizing fat. If you don't drink enough water, the kidneys can't do their job, and the liver has to help out a bit, making it more difficult for it to metabolize fat efficiently.

    Walking is my favorite exercise for losing weight, though you do have to dedicate a great deal more time to it than you would with running or other more active exercises. It is low impact and better for your joints, and just a relaxing way to burn calories.

    Anyway good luck Vincenzi!

  • There are few overweight buddhists in my sangha....i dont think it is a coincidence.

    Overeating is related to craving in most instances. I think being a good buddhist is a great way to lose weight.

    There's no secret formula... diet is about balance.
  • After I left university I was left with a beer belly. I got rid of it within 10 weeks quite easily. It is pretty simple. If you main aim is to lose weight and not become a huge muscle monster then you firstly need to locate a gym where you can exercise all muscle groups.
    Before you exercise, you should consume your pre-workout meal which needs to consist of complex carbohydrates and protein. (I never used supplements) You should consume your pre workout meal 45-90 minutes before your workout depending on your metabolism and the side of the meal.

    At the gym, never work out for more than one hour. You should lift weights working on all of your muscle groups for around 30-40 minutes, finding your range but pushing yourself. Finish with a 15-20 minute cardio workout which is CRUCIAL. It can be on a running machine or rowing machine, whatever, but sweat and sweat and sweat.

    After your workout, it is vitally important to consume a post workout meal within 30 minutes, ideally 20. This again should contain complex carbohydrates and protein. Tuna fish is good, lean chicken, eggs and a variety of foods for protein, google it. As for the carbs, skimmed milk, brown rice, bananas and other things.

    Leave your body a day to recover so go to the gym every other day, keep your diet clean, do not consume carbs after 5pm and you will lose weight pretty quick.
  • @ThailandTom

    why is it so important to eat before and after excersice?
  • It is vastly important. You need to eat before so you have the energy to do the work out. If you do not, your body will start to break down muscle rather than fat believe it or not.

    After your exercise you need to recover. You have just put your body through stress and it needs to refuel. Think of the body as a machine.

    Read this link, it will help

    http://www.americanhealthandbeauty.com/articles/?article=4338
  • edited March 2011
    Well Buddha taught us to live the middle way, so I would guess if someone has an excess intake of food then a reduction in the food eaten especially junk food, would be an alright way to lose weight. So basically I think the Buddhist way would be to just avoid the extremes of eating to much and not eating enough, and of course exercise can also be a big help.

    Metta to all sentient beings

    I have always wondered:

    Why did they portrait Buddha in all the statues as more then a chubby man?

    I also wonder why Ajahn Brahm who quite often describes what they eat in his monastery – can maintain his weight?

    NOT A CRITICISM.




  • edited March 2011
    Why did they portrait Buddha in all the statues as more then a chubby man?
    They don't in India, the Near East and the Himalayas, nor in SE Asia, if I'm not mistaken. I think the chubby Buddha is more a convention of Chinese and Japanese art. The Bamiyan Buddhas were gracile.

  • Why did they portrait Buddha in all the statues as more then a chubby man?
    They don't in India, the Near East and the Himalayas, nor in SE Asia, if I'm not mistaken. I think the chubby Buddha is more a convention of Chinese and Japanese art. The Bamiyan Buddhas were gracile.

    Thank you, I will have to Google those images.

  • I like cookies but I also like spinach. I like to walk but not run. I like to roll around but not blob around. This is the lesson of balance. Live on, in chunks or in no chunks, but best be to feel healthy in thy own dearest middle way.
  • VincenziVincenzi Veteran
    edited March 2011
    Why did they portrait Buddha in all the statues as more then a chubby man?
    They don't in India, the Near East and the Himalayas, nor in SE Asia, if I'm not mistaken. I think the chubby Buddha is more a convention of Chinese and Japanese art. The Bamiyan Buddhas were gracile.

    they are not statues of Buddha Gautama, they are statues of the Boddhisattva Hotei.
  • In thaland the buddha is not fat, he doesn't appear fat.
  • Ajahn brahm eats 1 meal a day & he cant eat after 12pm.
  • The fat Buddha represents prosperity in Asian culture.
    It has nothing to do with Buddha.
  • Anyway Vincenzi read that link and get your diet in order and down to the gym, you will see results starting to take place within a couple of weeks I am sure.

    What people don't know about Ajahn Brahm is, that after he goes back to his cave he has a stash of cakes hidden away
  • Also, shaolin monks started kungfu bcos many of the monks were
    lethargic & weak.
  • @ThailandTom

    thanks for the link... but why everyone assumed I was interested in losing weight?

    I'm a little overweight, but this was mostly curiousity... I'm discarding any health issues first.
  • Well it is just easily assumed that you wanted to lose weight as you posted a question regarding how to do so in a healthy way lol... We cannot see or know you for that matter so make assumptions my friend.

    I find it interesting how monks for the most part lead long lives, most of them surpassing 60-70, yet they eat once or twice a day, never after midday, they wake up early and have little sleep. It shows you that maybe a healthy, calm and peaceful mind is maybe more beneficial than a healthy body. There was an actor who I have forgotten the name of now, he died around his 90's, and even at 80 he was out partying, drinking, smoking. Somebody asked him what was his secret, he replied that he did not fear death and was totally content, his wife wasn't and that's why she died 30 years ago :p
  • 'What people don't know about Ajahn Brahm is, that after he goes back to his cave he has a stash of cakes hidden away '
    How do you know?
  • I was not being serious, sarcasm is often hard to detect on the internet o.O
  • In nursing classes they are always telling us to advise people to live healthy. We should educate patients about the importance of nutrition and maintaining fitness, not tell the patient "Just lose weight ok?" If you focus on your body's fitness, and you make sure to eat a nutrient rich diet (don't forget that calcium), then your body will become fit and healthy. A focus on nutrition instead of weight loss means you won't do anything to lose weight the bad way (fasting, crazy diets). I have 4 dogs... and now I can't be lazy anymore because they are always begging for a bike run. I also eat healthier after taking a nutrition class and learning just how important good eating is for health. Bye Ramen noodles... sniff* I miss your convenience.
  • I will just eat like a monk (1 meal per day) until having a more healthy weight...
  • they are not statues of Buddha Gautama, they are statues of the Boddhisattva Hotei.
    REALLY?? Where did you get that info, Vincenzi? Everyone refers to them as Buddhas. You've got my attention.
  • @compassionate_warrior

    "Amongst Westerners new to Buddhism, Budai is often confused with the historical Buddha, Siddhartha Gautama. However, the two are visually very distinct."

    from wiki

    it is a common misconception in the west to confuse the two.
  • edited April 2011
    Budai, according to wiki, is the fat Buddha. The Bamiyan Buddhas were thin. Afghanistan and the Near East don't have fat Buddha images. Those are mostly in China and Japan, and maybe around SE Asia.
  • it may sound silly, but sometimes I wonder if losing weight is OK with Buddhism or if it is "attachment to self image".
    obviously eating disorders and over-excercising are not fine.
    were to draw the line? whats the healthiest way to lose weight?
    #1 life Maxim , " The most important push-up you will ever do is the one away from the table."
    #2 True study: apartment dwellers were studied: Who was the healthiest? Dwellers on the first , second, or third floor?

    Answer: Second floor dwellers, because they were the most likely to take the stairs. third floor people took the elevator.


    Lesson: lots of little things add up to big thing. Take the stairs, park away from the mall, walk to the store. do house work with verve. sit on one of those balls at the office. Laugh a lot. Enjoy wrestling with kids or partner; make grand gesticulations;


    My fingers have gotten slim since I took up the guitar...my wedding ring no longer fits!

    Forget six pack abs and enjoy living , the weight will come off. Do not get on the scale every day , just once in a while to assure yourself you are in the zone.







  • This study is pretty insufficient as they only studied one building for a start, and secondly there are many other factors involved in affecting health ranging from how many times a month you eat at mcdonalds, to genetics to if you go to the gym on a regular basis.

    OT, losing weight is easy, burn more calories than you consume a day... lifting weights speeds this process up
  • The study may be one person, I do not know. The lesson is very important however: little things, small activities, can add a lot: lifestyle change is not about weight machines and running tracks, for most people a healthy weight can be achieved with , initially, small steps. After the weight is in control, takes walks and listen to books on tape.... that is all you need.
    This advice is for an average middle aged American who wants to shed pounds for health reasons.
    Many people can achieve results with mindful , small changes to their habits.
    Eat an apple, watch carb intake, avoid sweets....
  • VincenziVincenzi Veteran
    edited April 2011
    what about eating 1 meal per day? is that healthy or not?

    I think the best is 2 meals: one big and the other small. 3 meals is too much; I think 3 meals is more tradition than hunger. and 1 meal sometimes isn't enough.
  • I was having stress related health issues, being the mother of two and caregiver to a husband who is recovering from a severe stroke. I started meditating, exercizing and making modest changes to my eating. My blood pressure is better and I've been slowly losing weight.

    The meditation and mindfulness work are a huge help. I'm more aware of when I reach for food out of anxiety or tiredness and then I can think of healthier alternatives, like actually stopping to rest when I need to rather than nibbling to keep myself going. I think that mindfulness could help a lot of people attain and keep a healthy weight. It's not just about looks--though personally I think there is nothing wrong with wanting to look nice, as long as it's not an obsession. I feel that's kind of a "Middle Way" sort of thing.

    As to number of meals a day, I have read studies about weight loss that concluded it is better to have 5-6 *small* meals a day than 3. And I have read studies that claimed the opposite. I suspect it depends on the person. Although I don't doubt there are monks who are healthy on 1 meal a day, I get headaches if I go too long without eating. I feel better and lose weight best while eating 5 times a day but keeping the meals and snacks small and healthy.
  • It is pretty simple.
    Not so for everybody Tom. For some (many) people it's a real struggle. Genes play a huge part in it.
  • what about eating 1 meal per day? is that healthy or not?

    I think the best is 2 meals: one big and the other small. 3 meals is too much; I think 3 meals is more tradition than hunger. and 1 meal sometimes isn't enough.
    There is no "one size fits all" formula. For some people, multiple small meals is healthier than two or three meals. There are myriad physiological factors that are different for different people.


  • edited April 2011
    5 small meals/day spaced approx. 3 hrs. apart is best for maintaining stable blood sugar, they say. Think of breakfast, lunch and dinner with a "teatime" mini-meal in between them. I think the idea of dinner being the largest meal may have evolved due to the need to get through from evening to the next morning without a snack. Some may be able to do fine on just two or even one meal/day. As Mts. said, different strokes for different folks. I think it was Former Monk John who said one reason his name is "Former" monk is that he couldn't manage on the no-food-after-noon regime when he was a monk in Thailand.
  • It is pretty simple.
    Not so for everybody Tom. For some (many) people it's a real struggle. Genes play a huge part in it.
    I meant in theory, in the sense of how it works. You need to burn more energy than you consume. I am aware differences in metabolism etc, but it can be done. You need to embrace the mind and use its power.

  • Mr_SerenityMr_Serenity Veteran
    edited April 2011
    Drinking half your body weight in water for *ounces (oz) is supposed to help weight loss. I'm currently going to a fitness group to meet women and also get to my goal weight of 175 and this really big lady has been losing a ton of weight on that one rule. Of drinking half your body weight in ounces of water a day.

    Then of course you have to eat well and work out too. I look at the gym as my religion I really do. The same way Muslims pray 2x a day I go the gym every 2 days to pump iron. I also do cardio on my own, 5x a week I work out without missing any days. I've never really been skinny, but I have loads of muscle all over. So I am always working on my body trying to improve it some how. I'm all about looking the best I can, that's my religion.
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