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Yeah, they've been around for a while. I follow them on FB. Some of the stuff they post is pretty good, but a lot of it is just ragging on Republicans (some of that's good, too, though).
@pineblossom said:
If there is a Christian LEFT then where is the Christian RIGHT?
The Senate, mostly.
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HamsakagoosewhispererPolishing the 'just so'Veteran
I suggest to them a more refined copywriter for their web site, the writing lacked proper finish for such an important vehicle of SANITY. Picky tonight, I am. But good for them, definitely.
I used to attend a UCC church that was shockingly liberal for a Christian church. Most UCC churches around here fly a rainbow flag for example. Not a small organization either. http://www.ucc.org/
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HamsakagoosewhispererPolishing the 'just so'Veteran
edited November 2014
Wish I'd kept track of the sites I read, googling around using the terms 'gay and lesbian' and 'evangelical'. I'll look at my history. There was a poll done that differentiated between 'monthly and holiday' church attenders and 'weekly or more' attenders. Apparently, the 'monthly and holiday' church goers are markedly more liberal than their weekly attending counterparts. Monthly/holiday folks are much more OK with taking a 'it's not for me to judge' position on gay marriage, while weekly or more folks are much more certain IT IS theirs to judge.
Also, one of the 'top' Biblical scholars of the evangelical persuasion has done a 180 in his stance with the gay/lesb community, and has made a public apology to the LBGTQ community. I'll go find those links . . .
@Shak said:
I used to attend a UCC church that was shockingly liberal for a Christian church. Most UCC churches around here fly a rainbow flag for example. Not a small organization either. http://www.ucc.org/
My wife and I were married in the UCC church she was raised in. As you say, pretty liberal. It was also the same bldg my parents were married in. The congregation was a tad more conservative in those days.
I'm not surprised... I don't believe anyone can draw a defined line to correlate religious and political views, despite the seemingly obvious influence religion has in the Righty camps... and it's a good thing considering that, what is it? 85% of the US are Christians? There are many Righties that are not Religious, so that would only mean that a very large group of Lefties would be Christian.
It's quite weird, when you think about it, to have Christianity and politics mixed up, isn't it? Like Jesus was a Republican or something.
Reminds me of a joke only the British would understand:
IRA man, manning an illegal vehicle checkpoint, stops a car, pointing his armalite rifle at the driver...
IRA man "What's your religion, are you Catholic or Protestant?"
Driver, "Er, I'm neither, I'm an atheist!"
IRA man, "Well are you one of those Catholic atheists, or a Protestant atheist?"
But as I say, I think you need to be British to understand that one.
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HamsakagoosewhispererPolishing the 'just so'Veteran
It appears to be evangelical Christianity most heavily populating the religious Right. I forget who posted the docu (posted it here), about the 'birth' of Neoconservatism in the USA. According to the docu (fwiw) evangelical groups in general were sparse voters but this changed in the late 70's and 80's.
I see that politics have co-opted this religious group rather than the other way around. These folks are being exploited by their emotional short hairs (abortion, gay marriage, taxes), it calls them out in droves to vote just for those issues which have been simplified into assurances of being 'right' and better than the unwashed masses of heathens and pagans on the highway to Hell.
@pineblossom said:
If there is a Christian LEFT then where is the Christian RIGHT?
Tee Hee.
Never leave a Christian to do what is right.
As a Buddhist the only good Christian is a Buddhist one. Any of those left right now?
Politics and dhrama, fun for the whole family . . .
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SarahTTime ... space ... joySouth Coast, UKVeteran
edited December 2014
@lobster said:
As a Buddhist the only good Christian is a Buddhist one. Any of those left right now?
Am doing my best - so encouraged by the Dalai Lama's words in The Art of Happiness that there is no contradiction. Regret that I have returned this book to the friend who lent it to me (and who's Christianity has been brought to life by the study of Buddhism) so can't quote the exact words. I see so much similarity - the emphasis on compassion particularly. Worries me that the concept of socialist Christians raises an eyebrow. Jesus taught, more than any left winger, that the needy should be cared for.
As to "left right", well ...I've never been able to remember which hand is which
Ok, I'm a gun owning Buddhist Republican environmentalist with gay friends who are active in the aforementioned church(they're Republicans too).Good luck with stereotypes in religion and politics here in Maine...
@Shak said:
Ok, I'm a gun owning Buddhist Republican environmentalist with gay friends who are active in the aforementioned church(they're Republicans too).Good luck with stereotypes in religion and politics here in Maine...
Yeah, but we're talking about real states!
(Only joking!)
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HamsakagoosewhispererPolishing the 'just so'Veteran
@Shak said:
Ok, I'm a gun owning Buddhist Republican environmentalist with gay friends who are active in the aforementioned church(they're Republicans too).Good luck with stereotypes in religion and politics here in Maine...
No big surprise there Stereotypes always have a nugget of truth to keep them afloat, and then there's you . It's great to hear!
Maine is a funny place. My wife and I have a dear friend who is a hospice nurse and a Presbyterian minister. She participates with her teenage daughter at the local Tibetan buddhist sangha. As he has been encouraging me to take my practice to the next level and to participate with the sangha. Doesn't matter that were at opposite ends o f the political spectrum and I don't share her Christian views. I love the the fact that she encourages her daughter's spiritual growth regardless that it matches her own. @vinlyn I would say I'm living in a pretty "real" state.
@Tosh said:
It's quite weird, when you think about it, to have Christianity and politics mixed up, isn't it? Like Jesus was a Republican or something.
I think Jesus did mix himself into politics (certainly not conservative Republicanism, though....ha!) . The act of turning over the tables and whipping the money changers at the temple was a tremendous political statement, and the one which likely got him killed.
Ahhhhhh, poor Jesus: He seemed to be doing so well until that day at the temple. If anything, its a cautionary tale not to mix the two, but an obvious impossibility. I mean, if Jesus couldn't resist, I doubt the members of the Senate will. :#
The act of turning over the tables and whipping the money changers at the temple was a tremendous political statement, and the one which likely got him killed.
Uncool Bodhi Jesus trying to take on the prototype bankers. My hero.
Try and be a little more subtle next time Dude . . .
I would consider the act bold and noble, as well. He was the first Occupy Wall Street inhabitant. I was just trying to illustrate that personal philosophies don't get left at the door when it's time for political engagement. Some ideas even suggest that the two are inextricably linked....
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Yeah, they've been around for a while. I follow them on FB. Some of the stuff they post is pretty good, but a lot of it is just ragging on Republicans (some of that's good, too, though).
Praise the Lord!
; )
If there is a Christian LEFT then where is the Christian RIGHT?
Camping out with Koch Brothers.
The Senate, mostly.
I suggest to them a more refined copywriter for their web site, the writing lacked proper finish for such an important vehicle of SANITY. Picky tonight, I am. But good for them, definitely.
I used to attend a UCC church that was shockingly liberal for a Christian church. Most UCC churches around here fly a rainbow flag for example. Not a small organization either.
http://www.ucc.org/
Wish I'd kept track of the sites I read, googling around using the terms 'gay and lesbian' and 'evangelical'. I'll look at my history. There was a poll done that differentiated between 'monthly and holiday' church attenders and 'weekly or more' attenders. Apparently, the 'monthly and holiday' church goers are markedly more liberal than their weekly attending counterparts. Monthly/holiday folks are much more OK with taking a 'it's not for me to judge' position on gay marriage, while weekly or more folks are much more certain IT IS theirs to judge.
Also, one of the 'top' Biblical scholars of the evangelical persuasion has done a 180 in his stance with the gay/lesb community, and has made a public apology to the LBGTQ community. I'll go find those links . . .
ETA: In order of appearance: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/28/gays-more-popular-than-evangelicals_n_5049991.html
http://jonathanmerritt.religionnews.com/2014/10/24/david-gushee-lgbt-homosexuality-matters/
I thought Jesus was a socialist anyway?
My wife and I were married in the UCC church she was raised in. As you say, pretty liberal. It was also the same bldg my parents were married in. The congregation was a tad more conservative in those days.
I'm not surprised... I don't believe anyone can draw a defined line to correlate religious and political views, despite the seemingly obvious influence religion has in the Righty camps... and it's a good thing considering that, what is it? 85% of the US are Christians? There are many Righties that are not Religious, so that would only mean that a very large group of Lefties would be Christian.
It's quite weird, when you think about it, to have Christianity and politics mixed up, isn't it? Like Jesus was a Republican or something.
Reminds me of a joke only the British would understand:
IRA man, manning an illegal vehicle checkpoint, stops a car, pointing his armalite rifle at the driver...
IRA man "What's your religion, are you Catholic or Protestant?"
Driver, "Er, I'm neither, I'm an atheist!"
IRA man, "Well are you one of those Catholic atheists, or a Protestant atheist?"
But as I say, I think you need to be British to understand that one.
It appears to be evangelical Christianity most heavily populating the religious Right. I forget who posted the docu (posted it here), about the 'birth' of Neoconservatism in the USA. According to the docu (fwiw) evangelical groups in general were sparse voters but this changed in the late 70's and 80's.
I see that politics have co-opted this religious group rather than the other way around. These folks are being exploited by their emotional short hairs (abortion, gay marriage, taxes), it calls them out in droves to vote just for those issues which have been simplified into assurances of being 'right' and better than the unwashed masses of heathens and pagans on the highway to Hell.
Tee Hee.
Never leave a Christian to do what is right.
As a Buddhist the only good Christian is a Buddhist one. Any of those left right now?
Politics and dhrama, fun for the whole family . . .
Am doing my best - so encouraged by the Dalai Lama's words in The Art of Happiness that there is no contradiction. Regret that I have returned this book to the friend who lent it to me (and who's Christianity has been brought to life by the study of Buddhism) so can't quote the exact words. I see so much similarity - the emphasis on compassion particularly. Worries me that the concept of socialist Christians raises an eyebrow. Jesus taught, more than any left winger, that the needy should be cared for.
As to "left right", well ...I've never been able to remember which hand is which
Ok, I'm a gun owning Buddhist Republican environmentalist with gay friends who are active in the aforementioned church(they're Republicans too).Good luck with stereotypes in religion and politics here in Maine...
Yeah, but we're talking about real states!
(Only joking!)
No big surprise there Stereotypes always have a nugget of truth to keep them afloat, and then there's you . It's great to hear!
Maine is a funny place. My wife and I have a dear friend who is a hospice nurse and a Presbyterian minister. She participates with her teenage daughter at the local Tibetan buddhist sangha. As he has been encouraging me to take my practice to the next level and to participate with the sangha. Doesn't matter that were at opposite ends o f the political spectrum and I don't share her Christian views. I love the the fact that she encourages her daughter's spiritual growth regardless that it matches her own. @vinlyn I would say I'm living in a pretty "real" state.
I think Jesus did mix himself into politics (certainly not conservative Republicanism, though....ha!) . The act of turning over the tables and whipping the money changers at the temple was a tremendous political statement, and the one which likely got him killed.
Ahhhhhh, poor Jesus: He seemed to be doing so well until that day at the temple. If anything, its a cautionary tale not to mix the two, but an obvious impossibility. I mean, if Jesus couldn't resist, I doubt the members of the Senate will. :#
Uncool Bodhi Jesus trying to take on the prototype bankers. My hero.
Try and be a little more subtle next time Dude . . .
(Jesus will return as 'The Comforter' in an all new adventure)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Coming
Thus have I heard.
I would consider the act bold and noble, as well. He was the first Occupy Wall Street inhabitant. I was just trying to illustrate that personal philosophies don't get left at the door when it's time for political engagement. Some ideas even suggest that the two are inextricably linked....
huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-brad-hirschfield/did-religion-create-civil_b_865500.html