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The No Self Teaching

Shoshin1Shoshin1 Sentient BeingOceania Veteran

Some food for thought for the cognition aggregate ......

You say 'I am', but what does the word 'I' refer to?

Seeker to Seeker

lobsterperson

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  • lobsterlobster Crusty Veteran

    Well good start … reporter story made me laff … maybe I should watch the rest or maybe go searching for know-self <3

  • JeroenJeroen Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter Netherlands Veteran
    edited June 2023

    I recall a bit from Nisargadatta, who said to internally say the words “I am” and then to wait for a pull, which would guide your attention in a certain direction.

    But then I always thought ‘no self’ was not really one for the beginners, it took me a long time before I felt I understood it even a little.

    I’ll watch the video a little later…

    Bunkslobster
  • Shoshin1Shoshin1 Sentient Being Oceania Veteran

    But then I always thought ‘no self’ was not really one for the beginners, it took me a long time before I felt I understood it even a little.

    If you think about it @Jeroen, in a nutshell, the aim of Dharma practice is to eventually gain insight (an experiential understanding) of Anatta and in a sense.... wherever one starts on the Dharma Path 'is' the beginning ...

    The 4NTs & 8FP are as most of us know important foundations(AKA the Nuts & Bolts)...
    And from what I gather the "aha moment" of a teaching can come at anytime, anywhere a long the Path ...hours, days, weeks, months, years... Where pieces of the puzzle come together...or depending on how one sees it, are dismantled...
    No doubt past lives and Karma have something to do with where when and how one enters the Path.....

    There is Dukkha/Unsatisfactoriness and the reason why we are not satisfied is because we cling...hence starts the journey into the empty/true nature of all things including this sense of self...

    lobster
  • JeroenJeroen Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter Netherlands Veteran

    @Shoshin1 said:
    And from what I gather the "aha moment" of a teaching can come at anytime, anywhere a long the Path ...hours, days, weeks, months, years... Where pieces of the puzzle come together...or depending on how one sees it, are dismantled...

    It’s true that different people connect to different teachings, I found Ajahn Chah taught in a very accessible way by emphasizing letting go initially. Easy to understand and put into practice. Then you eventually start to see no-self once you have let go of enough inner junk, and you start to suspect that once everything is let go of there might not be much left.

    BunkslobsterShoshin1
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran

    A Dharma teaching I listened to today emphasized a modern philosopher's TED talk on the topic of self that I remember watching at some point. We understand that when 2 hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom combine a molecule of water is produced. We don't think that there is some essence of water already out there that then attracts the atoms to it. The self is the same way, there isn't some essence of self that attracts the aggregates, the aggregates come together to form a self.

    Shoshin1lobster
  • BunksBunks Australia Veteran

    3.6.9. Transmigration
    The king said: ‘When you speak of transmigration, Nāgasena, what does that mean?’
    ‘A being born here, O king, dies here. Having died here, it springs up elsewhere. Having been born there, there it dies. Having died there, it springs up elsewhere. That is what is meant by transmigration.’
    ‘Give me an illustration.’
    ‘It is like the case of a man who, after eating a mango, should set the seed in the ground. From that a great tree would be produced and give fruit. And there would be no end to the succession, in that way, of mango trees.’
    ‘Very good, Nāgasena!’

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