@Jeroen said:
I was apping my cousin a few days ago, and he said to me, I miss people that are honest, upright, principled in my life. And I told him that is one of the reasons that I spend time on Buddhist forums, they are generally more principled.Of course for Buddhists there are the Five Precepts and the Bodhisattva ideal that encourage us to be better people. In our consumer society the people who get rewarded are those who will do anything to increase shareholder profits, which is basically a stance of selling out your moral backbone to the highest bidder. This chase towards making money is ultimately depraved, it is morally corrupt.
So what about spiritual people who do not feel a connection with Buddhist morality? Christians perhaps? They also have a morality that is perhaps more complex, less pure. So you could certainly argue that most spiritual people you are likely to meet have morals that would keep them from following money or power exclusively.
I’d say that they have the potential to, yes. But I also think multiple factors condition the opposite. Having studied and practiced in multiple religious traditions, I’ve become a perennialist of a sort because I see a great deal of similarities between them, especially within what many might call the mystical traditions in each religion. And one of those commonalities is a very deep ethical foundation on top of which most spiritual traditions are built upon and that forms the framework for the deeper, more contemplative teachings and practices. Nevertheless, I think one needs to be aware of the gap that often develops between the spiritual seeds planted by sages and the invasive institutional vines that spring up around the religious trunk that grows out of them. And those institutions always arise in conjunction with worldly powers and concerns and generally become dominated by them. So the potential is there for people with little dust in their eyes who study and practice the fundamental principles of whatever religion they’re a part of, but sadly the combined power of wealthy religious institutions and the omnipresent weight of any socioeconomic system fueled by greed tend to engender religious people who fail to live by those religious principles and instead become ensnared by greed, hatred, delusion and the pursuit of worldly aims. It’s hard not to when most of society expects you to care more about marketability and success rather than developing wisdom and peace and helping those in need around you.
Jason
I was apping my cousin a few days ago, and he said to me, I miss people that are honest, upright, principled in my life. And I told him that is one of the reasons that I spend time on Buddhist forums, they are generally more principled.
Of course for Buddhists there are the Five Precepts and the Bodhisattva ideal that encourage us to be better people. In our consumer society the people who get rewarded are those who will do anything to increase shareholder profits, which is basically a stance of selling out your moral backbone to the highest bidder. This chase towards making money is ultimately depraved, it is morally corrupt.
So what about spiritual people who do not feel a connection with Buddhist morality? Christians perhaps? They also have a morality that is perhaps more complex, less pure. So you could certainly argue that most spiritual people you are likely to meet have morals that would keep them from following money or power exclusively.
Jeroen
Strong, skilful views can definitely help one remain upright in today’s society. Every persons situation is unique and we all have to find what works for us, all we can do is share a few tips and tricks, so with that in mind:
Jeroen
@Jason said:
seeing a psychiatrist
The neurodivergent movement seems to be having a bit of a moment, that is for sure. But my experience with psychiatrists is that they are generally more interested in prescribing you pills than in genuine mental health. Music and Buddhism have done me more good in recent years than anything else.
Jeroen
sound
hear
is always here.
tune in tune out
up to you
but
birds chirp
better than
loud mouths
be
eat eat
shit shit
sleep sleep
repeat.....
summer
fall
winter
spring
birds/bees/tree
is same
eat eat
shit shit
sleep sleep
repeat
now
is
way
so be the way
nowhere is
way.
I guess one thing I'm doing right is not letting the current political shenanigans get to me. I've resolved to accept the things I cannot change, have the courage to change the things I can, and do my best to discern the difference.
I won't let it go to my head, lol.
Walker
Being human is samsara and being a Buddha (as we all try to be) is nirvana. Are they different? Nah!
Samsara = Mind turned outwards lost in its projection (Been there and done that-more times than I care to admit)
Nirvana = Mind turned inwards recognising its true nature (Practicing on being there and doing that-practice makes perfect and perfect practice makes perfect practice)
Shoshin1