I think its a matter of degree. SN Goenka, who taught the likes of Jack Kornfield was a business man before becoming a spiritual teacher. Dan Harris of 10% Happier doesn't promote himself as a teacher (in fact he makes a point of saying he's not and being self depricating) but is a big promoter of spiritual and psychological work and makes a living off of it.
And to echo @marcitko in the west there isn't enough financial support generally for someone to support themselves teaching and having an income stream from it is often necessary.
But in the example you give, it does seem like this person is more than trying to be of service in the spiritual arena, using spirituality as a means to earn a living.
Though I have a "wide net" sort of attitude. I'm fine with people using spirituality in a shallow way, it can bring more people in. It will offer some level of more superficial benefit to a greater number of people, that might not otherwise have met with the teachings, than only having a pure offering. And for some it will be an entry point to the deeper end of the pool.
person
I am wary of those that promote spirituality as a means to business or material advancement, thus making spirituality secondary and merely a means to a wordly end.
That said, some or even many seem to believe that being a businesperson somehow disqualifies one from being spiritual. I don't think that's true. Lay people are not monks and need to support themselves + it can be just another arena for practice. I know of many higly advanced or even realized people who just so happened to be businespeople.
As persons, we’re responsible to culture and to others, and we are constantly changing, open-ended phenomena, not isolated, self-existent phenomena. We are part of a spatial, temporal, and social complex, not standing outside of it in a dualistic relation.
Jay L. Garfield, “To Be or Not to Be”
Sometimes compassion will arise spontaneously, like the clouds parting to reveal the blue sky. At other times we may have to make a conscious effort, which is a bit more like imagining what the blue sky looks like, even when it’s obscured by clouds.
Andy Puddicombe, “10 Tips for Living More Mindfully”
Jeffrey
I see them as guiding lights for behaviour in daily life. They can inspire, even when they choose not to be teachers. I also think Bodhisattvas show up in many unexpected places, especially when circumstances are difficult.
I would even say, anyone you see being acclaimed as a Bodhisattva in a religious setting is unlikely to truly be one.
Jeroen
I remember reading about hot boredom and then cool boredom as legitimate or charted parts of the meditation path. Try not to think "I mistakenly had the meditation that isn't supposed to happen". Maybe get curious about the boredom? or say "Chaat" and then return to the breath
I'm taking a break from meditating as part of my usual cycles. It will call me again I have experience of my cycles spiral learning
Jeffrey
With breath meditation, my understanding is that all manner of thougts will arise and our practice is the same: gently return to the breath. It should be the same with body scans, gently return to scanning the body.
The mind will conjure up endless tricks to suck us in. 'What does boredom during meditation mean?' is just one such example.
Been playing with Chat GPT and thought to ask a question along these lines. The two points that stood out to me, and reflect my own learning.
Ontology vs. soteriology: The question mixes two angles. Ontologically (what is enlightenment?), many Buddhist traditions teach that awakening is the recognition or removal of ignorance about the true nature of mind and phenomena — it is a seeing of what already is. Soteriologically (how does one become enlightened?), awakening happens through a causal process: ethical conduct, meditation, wisdom — i.e., conditions and effort.
And then the Madhyamika understanding of emptiness and its relation to enlightenment. This is the tradition I developed my sense of Buddhism in.
Madhyamaka: Emphasizes emptiness. Enlightenment is the experiential realization that all phenomena lack inherent existence. This realization is not a “thing” that’s created; it’s a correct cognition that arises when ignorance ceases.
Practical summary: Buddhism generally resists the notion that enlightenment is an invention or addition to a self. It’s better described as the cessation of ignorance and the direct realization (revelation) of reality — a change that occurs through causes and conditions, not creation ex nihilo. The upshot for practice is the same either way: cultivate the conditions (ethics, meditation, wisdom) that allow the revealing to occur.
person
The whole idea of the realms seems odd to me. Who could have explored them, or reported on them? Perhaps it was a teaching device?
Jeroen
@Jeroen said:
The whole idea of the realms seems odd to me. Who could have explored them, or reported on them? Perhaps it was a teaching device?
Yes, it does kind of go back to older days when it was believed it was more possible for people to have visions, or even travel directly, of these places.
But there is plenty there to view it through a modern lens as a teaching device with everyday parallels. People living in their own mental hell or hungry ghost realm. I see the god and demi god realms as that of billionaires and millionaires, yes millionaires are doing well, but are often still envious of those who have more.
person