No worries, the amount of dukkha was minimal. It was mostly a joke re: the thought of responding to long replies. I know everyone means well.
In general, I'm doing better these days financial than I have at any time in the past, although I'm still not making what I'd consider a living wage in a city with unaffordable rents. And I find it very frustrating having worked in multiple states and industries, just not the right ones I guess. (And my dependents are my partner and 2 pets, no children. 👧🐕🐈⬛) My main point, though, was really about the impact of external/material conditions on our lives and mental health.
In Buddhism, there's a big focus on the mind and how it relates to experience with an emphasis on preventing the second arrow of suffering we experience due to painful bodily and mental feelings. And those techniques are quite effective. However, I've found that in my experience, the more involved/invested I am in worldly life, the harder it is for me to let go, practice equanimity, or any of the things that prevent myself being pierced by that second arrow. So I feel the weight of things moreso than when I had more time to practice and go on extended retreats. I just don't have the time or ability with the amount I work and all of the other things I'm responsible for. It's a trade off, but I've accepted that I'm a householder and not a monk, so more of my focus is now on working to make that life more materially comfortable and conducive to ease and happiness and the ability to practice for myself and others. And looking at the world, I think capitalism has contributed to an increase in depression and anxiety, environmental degradation, consumerist culture that feeds our greed, difficulties in monastic communities supporting themselves/being supported by the community, etc.
Jason
Well, with Mac it’s that the whole system is engineered to “Just Work”, leaving you only to do those things where the user’s choice is essential. With a Windows PC there is quite a lot of technical stuff that’s exposed, like device drivers or network settings, which on Mac is usually hidden and automated.
Over the last two years that I’ve had my iMac I have spent more time doing support for my dad’s PC than I have spent on solving technical issues on my own iMac, and my dad is pretty savvy, most things he can do himself. A Mac is like a more expensive, easier-to-maintain, slicker cousin to the PC. It also comes with a lot of software which you have to pay for on PC.
The iPhone is just about hardware quality and software support, your phone will last 5-6 years with a new OS update every year and more frequent security updates. There are Android phones with better cameras and cheaper storage, but they don’t last as long which means in the end it’s more expensive.
Jeroen
Rather than "it's all in your mind" (of course it is, where else would it be?) I always tell myself "it's not real, you can ignore it." Anxiety, skewed perceptions and priorities are all due to some kind of chemical imbalance, or inability of my brain to process correctly rather than to anything "real". Anxiety isn't about anything that's actually going on in my life, so it can be ignored. My way of dealing is to just hang on till it passes and don't make any decisions, as skewed priorities and perceptions mean any decisions will be greatly regretted later on. Doesn't make things easy, but it is easier than thinking there is something I need to "do" about it.
zorro
So I said to @Jason rather casually “it is all in the mind” about depression and mental health, but that doesn’t really make it any easier to cope with, it’s only a general pointer. You can say 95% of our lives are in our mind, apart from a little eating, passing wind, moving the body and working. Mental health is really about managing our minds so that they stay vital, responsive, and robust.
Ultimately you want the mind to be the servant, not the master in the house of being. Part of that is teaching it to be relaxed, the more tension and stress there is the more the whole combined body and mind start acting up. Things that can work against you when working with the mind as a servant are desires, hidden convictions, deep conflicts and habit energies. There are probably a few more…
The Buddha is a good point to begin to work with the mind, but really it is your unique mind and your formed beliefs, you have to do the work. It is the labour of a lifetime to become aware, to root out what is unbeneficial, and to guide the mind in the right kind of patterns. This process is an expression of your being, but a lot can be done by cultivating healthy habits.
Things that have helped me with this are watching as little news as I can, reading or listening to Dhamma talks, getting plenty of sleep, interacting with spiritual friends, making love a focus in my life, and eating less. Maybe there are other ways to do this too, other sets of healthy habits.
I dunno… maybe this is one of those posts where I’m stating the totally obvious…
Jeroen
@Jeroen said:
If it was an action that didn’t benefit your self then you’d have a stronger claim to be called conventionally “selfless”.
This gets a little tricky, because of human wiring and our interconnectedness many actions that are primarily directed towards another also have a positive impact on oneself.
A few years back I took a deeper look at altruism and how it is defined and it becomes kind of hard to find many truly selfless acts.
person
@Jason Are you up for an experiment? I think it would help. For one week, do not read the news and do not discuss politics or cultural matters. Dedicate yourself to your ordinary daily life and your personal projects. Integrate into these activities your understanding of the Dharma. That's it. After a week, take note if this was helpful or not to your overall state of mind.
I propose this because - especially when I am in negative states of mind, but also in general - the news and political discussions are detrimental to my wellbeing. Dedicating myself to ordinary life, while trying for this ordinary life to be an expression of my deepest understanding of the Dharma - is supportive of my wellbeing.
My take written earlier this year:
I've had a couple of visits about my mental health with my PCP and a student clinical psychologist in the past week and have started buspirone to help with my depression and anxiety. But during those visits, I had trouble expressing some of the conditions and stressors that make it difficult, i.e., a combination of existential crises and material conditions under capitalism that make me feel constantly empty and anxious. As such, I'm both tentatively hopeful and chronically frustrated—hopeful the medication can help but frustrated that the world continues to be the way it is and creates so much unnecessary suffering.
My doctor recommended buspirone to help me weather the increased effects of the depression and anxiety I've been experiencing lately. And while I've been hesitant to take medications like this in the past, I've decided to see if it can help. But it's frustrating that many people, particularly in healthcare, don't seem to consider how our society contributes to the growing issue of depression and anxiety.
It seems like more and more people are struggling with these issues, some silently, some reaching out for help, and others taking their own lives. And while there are certainly physiological and psychological conditions caused by everything from chemical imbalances in the brain to the effects of trauma that healthcare professionals can help with in the form of medications and therapy techniques (e.g., cognitive behavioral therapy) that can be life changing, I think there are some deep-seated causes that have gone unaddressed and continue to feed into people's depression and anxiety—most of them being the external stressors weighing heavily on people stemming from the ways we organize our society.
It frustrates me, though, whenever I try to talk about the way I feel and see the world to healthcare providers. Most immediately assume my unhappiness with the world and ambivalence to existence mean I'm an immediate suicide risk, and I have to repeatedly try to express the experience of existential malaise and unsatisfactoriness with the world we've created in a way that they can understand differentiates the two. There's plenty of religious and philosophical vocabulary surrounding this, but little in the medical field because they often start with some general assumptions about society that I don't think are completely true, such as the world is inherently good and life inherently meaningful and worth living as is. If you're not happy with life as it is, it's you who has to change. But if the world and the life we've created are scrutinized in any serious manner, I think it becomes clear that there are material social conditions that actually have a negative impact on our health and well-being.
In this country, for example, which is arguably the wealthiest and most technologically advanced in the world, most people have to work for a wage to survive, or else hustle one way or the other, and oftentimes both. People often have to spend a great deal of time at work (the majority of our waking hours in fact) and commuting to and from work, keeping us away from friends and family and limiting the free time we need to exercise or relax and recharge. Workloads themselves are often full of stress. On top of that, wages for many aren't enough to do more than pay for rent, food, and other bills, and people feel like they're living to work (and this is exacerbated by things like inflation, which is designed to weaken the spending power of wages further and make borrowing harder to slow consumption, thereby lowering demand and prices and all that other stuff to combat inflation without at the same time overly hurting capital and overall market growth). They don't call it "the rat race" for nothing. As if that weren't enough, even more pressures come from trying to make due with what you get, forcing us to make tough financial choices between things like paying for food, rent, and utilities vs. healthcare, childcare, and car repairs. Over half of Americans alone live paycheck to paycheck in a state of perpetual precarity and the threat of unemployment and ruin around every corner. And if you want to gamble, you can put yourself into a lifetime of debt to get a higher education and piece of paper that might get you a little extra cheese, but there are no guarantees. It's also difficult to relax when at least five days are full of going full speed to make someone else rich and two days are left for you to try and do all your personal errands, spend time with friends and family, and do something enjoyable and meaningful. And when we don't have the time or money for that, we often find it easier to self medicate with drugs or alcohol or reality TV or whatever helps us through the day.
And the broader socioeconomic atmosphere across the globe isn't much better, often full of violence and uncertainty, from wars and food shortages to volatile stock markets and imperialist competition between nation states, many of which are trying to catch up to and compete with the hegemony of the US. Combined all of that with the ability to have constant stimulation from news and social commentary on TV, social media, etc., it's little wonder that people are seemingly suffering from depression and anxiety more than ever before.
Certainly not every mental health issue is caused by these material conditions, but a large number are, and the majority almost definitely exacerbated by them. If we want to truly address this growing mental health crisis, we must not only expand access to and normalize mental healthcare and our vocabulary around the experience of mental pain, unsatisfactoriness, and loss or absence of meaning, but also address the omnipresent material conditions giving rise to and exacerbating them. We need more free time. We need to have our basic needs met without having to work ourselves to death. We need more access to the things that make life worthwhile and enjoyable. And we need to share all of that with everyone instead of a system where a few profit disproportionately off of the labour of the many, while the many in turn benefit from the oppression and exploitation of the poor and marginalized. Capitalism is a pyramid of inequality, and the further down you are, the heavier your burden and its negative impacts.
Jason
I think feelings and emotions kind of fall into this dynamic as well. Thinking and feeling are linked, feelings lead to certain thoughts and those thoughts reinforce and give rise to feelings, on and on.
When we're aware and can see the patterns happening we have the opportunity to step back and reconnect with the breath or body, or redirect our mind elsewhere.
person
Gabor Maté on the Israel-Palestine conflict… he is Jewish but has also visited Gaza and has Palestinian contacts in Canada, so he has a pretty balanced perspective:
Jeroen
I guess I'm not communicating very well. I was attempting to juxtapose two differing views, or definitions, of selflessness. And essentially agree with @IdleChater 's take but wanted to ask an open question rather than take a firm stance.
@person said:
Which got me to thinking, what is the internal experience of selflessness? Is it an attempt to be good to others, OR is the internal experience one of doing good without regard to self and other? You see suffering or a problem and regardless of whether its yours or someone else's you act to remedy it.
person