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Giving to charity

betaboybetaboy Veteran
edited June 2011 in Buddhism Basics
Namaste,

Giving to charities ... will that create good karma even if one gives with the sole motive of creating good karma?

BB

p.s.
Either way, are there reliable Buddhist charities in India?

Comments

  • BonsaiDougBonsaiDoug Simply, on the path. Veteran
    Can't address your karma question, but one project I support through the purchase of items is the Tibetan Nuns Project: http://tnp.org/
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    Namaste,

    Giving to charities ... will that create good karma even if one gives with the sole motive of creating good karma?

    BB

    p.s.
    Either way, are there reliable Buddhist charities in India?
    My personal view is that intent is very important in Buddhism, so if you do a good deed to earn merit, you won't earn merit. But, on the other hand, your gift can't hurt, either.

  • betaboybetaboy Veteran
    Without some gain in view, why would we bother doing good deeds?
  • YishaiYishai Veteran
    Without some gain in view, why would we bother doing good deeds?
    Altruism?
  • betaboybetaboy Veteran
    Without some gain in view, why would we bother doing good deeds?
    Altruism?
    Why be altruistic?
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    Without some gain in view, why would we bother doing good deeds?
    Gee, I don't see it your way at all. There have been many times I have given monetary gifts anonymously. I often donate to historical groups just because I think they do good and important work. I just sent some money to a former student of mine who is down on his luck, and it is likely I will never see him again. I do these things because they are the right thing to do and I think it is a responsibility. I get nothing from them. Maybe a thank you, but I could care less if I even get that.

  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    Without some gain in view, why would we bother doing good deeds?
    Altruism?
    Why be altruistic?
    You don't care about the welfare of others?

  • YishaiYishai Veteran
    edited June 2011
    @betaboy

    Altruism is a result of compassion. I help people because I know life can be difficult and miserable. I know that if I help somebody, then they may not have to feel that misery. I open the door for somebody because I can, because I am in no rush, because they look stressed, because they have their hands full, because I like to see people smile, because I like to bring people happiness.

    You can make this a lot deeper than it is. Eventually, you'll come to the conclusion that people only do things that benefit themselves. Which is true because who would consciously choose to inflict misery upon themselves? You may speak of people burning themselves in political protest, but they did it for themselves as well as for others. They did it because they knew it was right that they stood up. We all have motives.

    I am altruistic because I know it is 'right' in my heart. (cliche, I know)

    Why did Buddha teach the Dharma? Why not just keep it to himself?
  • My version of instant karma - I donate to Goodwill, Salvation Army and St. Vincent DePaul. These donations are in the form of purchases of clothing and sundry goods - so I get to wear or use the result of my donation immediately. I also donate old clothing, furniture, books, appliances, etc. to these organizations for their use in reselling. These organizations feed, clothe and employ the homeless and unemployable. I get to beat the retail system - save money - help others less fortunate - and help myself. Instant karma!
  • IMO there is good karma if you feel good about yourself because you are helping someone in need. But if your only intention is to buy your way around then you can even create negative karma...
  • aMattaMatt Veteran
    Betaboy,

    You ask a great deal of questions, are you doing any sitting meditation? I think some of these would become more clear if you looked from a still space.

    Giving to others is of benefit to everyone, including yourself. If you are doing it for merit, that's fine. It is good enough that you're doing it. With enough time spent being generous, you'll start to shift over to doing it because of how needed you are, your heart will simply swell with compassion and it will be the right thing to do. You won't seek merit, you'll simply know.

    Kind of like how you eat to sustain your life. You don't think of how the food is necessary to remain alive, you notice the hunger and just eat. You'll do the same... you'll notice the compassion and just give. Until then, take it on faith that it is necessary... for merit, for joy, to feel good... whatever motive works is fine.

    With warmth,

    Matt
  • santhisouksanthisouk Veteran
    edited June 2011
    "And what is the treasure of generosity? There is the case of a disciple of the noble ones, his awareness cleansed of the stain of stinginess, living at home, freely generous, openhanded, delighting in being magnanimous, responsive to requests, delighting in the distribution of alms. This is called the treasure of generosity.

    http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an07/an07.006.than.html

    Dānañca dhamma-cariyā ca
    ñātakānañca saṅgaho
    Anavajjāni kammāni
    etam-maṅgalam-uttamaṃ.
    Generosity, living by the Dhamma, assistance to one's relatives,
    Deeds that are blameless:
    This is the highest good fortune.


    http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/dhammayut/chanting.html#mangala

    metta
  • AmeliaAmelia Veteran
    I have a mistrust of most charities. That's why I try to do real favors for people whenever I can. Money is just so icky to me.
  • The Dana Sutta: Giving explained this in detail.
    http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an07/an07.049.than.html

    " This discourse discusses the motivations one might have for being generous, and rates in ascending order the results that different motivations can lead to. The Commentary notes that the highest motivation, untainted by lower motivations and leading to non-returning, requires a certain level of mastery in concentration and insight in order to be one's genuine motivation for giving."

    Also Sappurisadana Sutta: A Person of Integrity's Gifts

    "These five are a person of integrity's gifts. Which five? A person of integrity gives a gift with a sense of conviction. A person of integrity gives a gift attentively. A person of integrity gives a gift in season. A person of integrity gives a gift with an empathetic heart. A person of integrity gives a gift without adversely affecting himself or others.

    "Having given a gift with a sense of conviction, he — wherever the result of that gift ripens — is rich, with much wealth, with many possessions. And he is well-built, handsome, extremely inspiring, endowed with a lotus-like complexion.

    "Having given a gift attentively, he — wherever the result of that gift ripens — is rich, with much wealth, with many possessions. And his children, wives, slaves, servants, and workers listen carefully to him, lend him their ears, and serve him with understanding hearts.

    "Having given a gift in season, he — wherever the result of that gift ripens — is rich, with much wealth, with many possessions. And his goals are fulfilled in season.

    "Having given a gift with an empathetic heart, he — wherever the result of that gift ripens — is rich, with much wealth, with many possessions. And his mind inclines to the enjoyment of the five strings of lavish sensuality.

    "Having given a gift without adversely affecting himself or others, he — wherever the result of that gift ripens — is rich, with much wealth, with many possessions. And not from anywhere does destruction come to his property — whether from fire, from water, from kings, from thieves, or from hateful heirs.

    "These five are a person of integrity's gifts."

    With metta,
  • jlljll Veteran
    Yes, giving to get merit is like studying to get good results in the exams. You are heading in the right direction.
    Namaste,

    Giving to charities ... will that create good karma even if one gives with the sole motive of creating good karma?

    BB

    p.s.
    Either way, are there reliable Buddhist charities in India?
  • Its an interesting question, but I really couldnt say, I mean I don't think I have ever given to charity because of anything other than wanting to help them... I am not very well off at the moment, but when I need to buy clothes/furniture etc, I buy from charity shops whenever I can, I also donate any toys/clothes etc to charity shops so they can sell them. I have assisted in charity shops when I have time too, its a great way to help all sorts of people, especially as many of the people who buy charity clothes are homeless or very poor. In this way the charity helps the poor even if they intend to raise money for animals or suicide lines etc. Everyone benefits.

    While I hope this gives me good karma, I really really hope that the charities can keep doing the work they do to make people and animals happier&healthier.
  • mugzymugzy Veteran
    edited June 2011
    I genuinely enjoy giving to charities. I give about 5% of each paycheck away to different groups that I feel strongly about, such as various dharma organizations, animal shelters, American Heart or MS associations, etc. It helps me practice generosity and I feel joyful knowing that even a small donation can make a difference!
  • betaboybetaboy Veteran
    Thanks for the replies, everyone. This whole 'helping' people stuff doesn't appeal to me - people are too silly to deserve any help. The only person I want to help is me. But at the same time, I thought I could accumulate good karma and get a better life later by helping them. That way, I could keep my conscience clean, plus I could get a better next life. It's all about practicality, compassion and all that stuff doesn't appeal to me. Sorry for being brutally honest.
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    Thanks for the replies, everyone. This whole 'helping' people stuff doesn't appeal to me - people are too silly to deserve any help. The only person I want to help is me. But at the same time, I thought I could accumulate good karma and get a better life later by helping them. That way, I could keep my conscience clean, plus I could get a better next life. It's all about practicality, compassion and all that stuff doesn't appeal to me. Sorry for being brutally honest.
    Is this a joke? Or are you really that selfish?

    Sorry for being brutally honest.

  • betaboybetaboy Veteran
    edited June 2011
    Unfortunately, bad things that happened in the past have made me totally apathetic to the human condition. Sorry, but this is what I am. Is there any hope for me?
  • betaboy, I am sincerely sorry for you, it seems you have been and still are very unhappy... I hope you will be able to feel compassion again one day.
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    Unfortunately, bad things that happened in the past have made me totally apathetic to the human condition. Sorry, but this is what I am. Is there any hope for me?
    My prediction is that this attitude will continue to bring you "bad things"...or as we would put it "bad karma". May I ask how old you are?

  • jlljll Veteran
    edited June 2011
    If you accumulate good karma, eg doing charity, things will only get better.
    Unfortunately, bad things that happened in the past have made me totally apathetic to the human condition. Sorry, but this is what I am. Is there any hope for me?
  • taiyakitaiyaki Veteran
    who is it that attains good or bad karma? just curious.
  • Hi Betaboy, I had some bad things happen in my life too. I really hope you feel better soon, but if doing things to attempt to attain good karma is all you can focus on right now, then go for it. You will still be helping people, and in turn helping yourself.
  • Unfortunately, bad things that happened in the past have made me totally apathetic to the human condition. Sorry, but this is what I am. Is there any hope for me?
    Bad things have happened to you. Join the club. This attitude of "I want mine, screw everyone else" is half the reason why bad shit happens to people.
  • The point of creating good karma is to establish a foundation for practice. We need these foundations to support us on our path.
  • Hi Betaboy, I had some bad things happen in my life too. I really hope you feel better soon, but if doing things to attempt to attain good karma is all you can focus on right now, then go for it. You will still be helping people, and in turn helping yourself.
    I think if one's sole motivation is is wanting good karma just for one's own benefit, without regard or compassion for others, then one is quite missing the point. I don;t see how such an attitude can cultivate mindfulness or even good karma itself. Without compassion one is still carrying around their negativity. Not very productive at all.
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    I need to modify a few comments I made earlier. While I still don't believe that one will gain positive karma (or "merit") by doing good deeds for the wrong reasons, by doing good deeds on a consistent basis one may meet more positive people.

    When I moved to Colorado, through a new friend I was invited to join a monthly lunch group. Most of the people in the lunch group work long hours at the local soup kitchen for the homeless once a week. What a positive of group of people they are! I still choose to do other things than the soup kitchen, but just being around them is uplifting. But, my point is that being around positive people might lead to a change in attitude of the OP, which in the long run could change his life and karma.
  • JasonJason God Emperor Arrakis Moderator
    Giving to charities ... will that create good karma even if one gives with the sole motive of creating good karma?
    From a Buddhist point of view, yes. The Buddha advised to give wherever you feel inclined to give (SN 3.24); and while some gifts bear greater fruit, every act of generosity is meritorious, even those with a selfish motivation (AN 3.57, AN 7.49).
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    Thanks for the replies, everyone. This whole 'helping' people stuff doesn't appeal to me - people are too silly to deserve any help. The only person I want to help is me. But at the same time, I thought I could accumulate good karma and get a better life later by helping them. That way, I could keep my conscience clean, plus I could get a better next life. It's all about practicality, compassion and all that stuff doesn't appeal to me. Sorry for being brutally honest.
    Karma means you reap what you sow. Doing good to gain better karma will get you in return a similar action, so help you recieve would be done to you because the person believes in doing good not because they give a lick about you. So if you recieve help try not to be judgmental if they're not doing it for your benefit.

    Also caring about and helping others gives one a good feeling and makes people happy. Think about people who volunteer alot, they tend to be very happy people. Not only does one get a good feeling for oneself but people tend to respond better to genuinly nice people and often reject selfish people. As the Dalai Lama says, if you're going to be selfish, at least be 'wise' selfish.
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