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Our image of the Buddha

edited June 2011 in Buddhism Today
All statues and even online images of the Buddha pretty much look the same. Where does these images come from?

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  • genkakugenkaku Northampton, Mass. U.S.A. Veteran
    Good question.

    Actually, the facial characteristics tend to mimic the general characteristics of the people in whose country the painting or statuary was created... Thai looks Thai, Chinese looks Chinese, etc.

    As to why there should be a limited number of poses or postures (meditating, starving, lying down in death, providing a focus for a mandala, or displaying mudras or whatever) I imagine it has to do with the limited number of ways in which human beings tend to want to see Gautama. People are not especially keen to see him picking his teeth or doing cartwheels, so.... we get versions of "the Buddha," "the one who is awake," "the one who, in various ways, inspires the onlooker."

    All this is strictly speculative on my part.
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    There are some rules involved in making an image of the Buddha that involve proportions and angles and stuff. I don't know much more than that or where the rules originated, but would be interested to find out.
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    Actually, they don't look the same. There are the rolly-poly Buddhas of China and, I think, Japan. Other traditions have a slim Buddha.
  • genkakugenkaku Northampton, Mass. U.S.A. Veteran
    "Buddha" just means "awake." Sometimes the Chinese monk Budai or Hotei is thought to be a representation of Maitreya Buddha and further is sometimes imagined as a representation of Gautama -- the awakened fellow credited with getting "Buddhism" off the ground. There are many buddhas of note. Hotei/Budai may be one, but he is not Gautama.

    Hotei: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budai
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    Actually, they don't look the same. There are the rolly-poly Buddhas of China and, I think, Japan. Other traditions have a slim Buddha.
    The "roly poly" Buddha is a different Buddha.

  • My personal and very anciently traditional favorite.
  • StaticToyboxStaticToybox Veteran
    edited June 2011
    I've heard it said that Buddhism has not truly arrived in a country until that country makes the Buddha in its image. With that in mind I have no idea what an American Buddha might look like (given the vast range of differing cultures and traditions found in America) but I've tried to envision a personal Buddha. He'd have long, slightly unkempt hair, well-worn jeans, ether work boots or Converse All-Star (or something similar) shoes, a t-shirt and perhaps a flannel overshirt.
  • My personal and very anciently traditional favorite.
    lol
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    I've heard it said that Buddhism has not truly arrived in a country until that country makes the Buddha in its image. With that in mind I have no idea what an American Buddha might look like (given the vast range of differing cultures and traditions found in America) but I've tried to envision a personal Buddha. He'd have long, slightly unkempt hair, well-worn jeans, ether work boots or Converse All-Star (or something similar) shoes, a t-shirt and perhaps a flannel overshirt.
    I don't quite understand why you would see him that way...he was not that way.

  • I've heard it said that Buddhism has not truly arrived in a country until that country makes the Buddha in its image. With that in mind I have no idea what an American Buddha might look like (given the vast range of differing cultures and traditions found in America) but I've tried to envision a personal Buddha. He'd have long, slightly unkempt hair, well-worn jeans, ether work boots or Converse All-Star (or something similar) shoes, a t-shirt and perhaps a flannel overshirt.
    I don't quite understand why you would see him that way...he was not that way.

    Why do I get the feeling that the point of my post flew about a mile over your head?
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    vinylyn, The spirit of the buddha. Brought to flesh in what is appealing to you.
  • taiyakitaiyaki Veteran
    I've heard it said that Buddhism has not truly arrived in a country until that country makes the Buddha in its image. With that in mind I have no idea what an American Buddha might look like (given the vast range of differing cultures and traditions found in America) but I've tried to envision a personal Buddha. He'd have long, slightly unkempt hair, well-worn jeans, ether work boots or Converse All-Star (or something similar) shoes, a t-shirt and perhaps a flannel overshirt.
    I don't quite understand why you would see him that way...he was not that way.

    Why do I get the feeling that the point of my post flew about a mile over your head?
    hahahahahaha its funny! i see my buddha the same way too!!!!!
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    I'd be kinda freaked out if I saw the hotei guy walking down the street. I'd feel like I was at disney world.
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    edited June 2011
    I've heard it said that Buddhism has not truly arrived in a country until that country makes the Buddha in its image. With that in mind I have no idea what an American Buddha might look like (given the vast range of differing cultures and traditions found in America) but I've tried to envision a personal Buddha. He'd have long, slightly unkempt hair, well-worn jeans, ether work boots or Converse All-Star (or something similar) shoes, a t-shirt and perhaps a flannel overshirt.
    How about something like this? :lol:

    image
  • With that in mind I have no idea what an American Buddha might look like
    Odds are he'd be morbidly obese so as to blend in with the population :)
  • With that in mind I have no idea what an American Buddha might look like
    Odds are he'd be morbidly obese so as to blend in with the population :)
    So...Hotei then?
  • There is somewhat of a Greek influence on some statues in India dating back to when the Greeks occupied that part of the world. Again, this goes back to the remark about the facial features and proportions, but look up Greco-Buddhism in Wikipedia and you'll see what I mean.
  • The Greeks occupied India?? Did I miss a day in world history??
  • edited June 2011
    The Greeks occupied India?? Did I miss a day in world history??
    Alexander the Great, Fool!

    Greco-Buddhism
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Greco-Buddhism, sometimes spelled Graeco-Buddhism, refers to the cultural syncretism between Hellenistic culture and Buddhism, which developed between the 4th century BCE and the 5th century CE in the area covered by the Indian sub-continent, and modern Afghanistan, Pakistan and north-western border regions of modern India. It was a cultural consequence of a long chain of interactions begun by Greek forays into India from the time of Alexander the Great, carried further by the establishment of Indo-Greek rule in the area for some centuries, and extended during flourishing of the Hellenized empire of the Kushans.[citation needed] Greco-Buddhism influenced the artistic, and perhaps the spiritual development of Buddhism, particularly Mahayana Buddhism, which represents one of the two main branches of Buddhism.[1] The Buddhist religious system was then adopted in Central and Northeastern Asia, from the 1st century CE, ultimately spreading to China, Korea and Japan.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Buddhism

    The photo is from the article, called the Gandhara Buddha, apparently showing the Greek influence.

  • Central Asia, I grant you. But not necessarily what we consider "India" today by a long shot! :)
  • Central Asia, I grant you. But not necessarily what we consider "India" today by a long shot! :)
    That's only modern political boundaries however. Historically that has been considered India.
  • It was the northwest part of India, which apparently was primarily Buddhist at the time. If I remember right, Buddhism is not as prevalent in the southern parts of India even to this day.

    But it was areas like the Hindu Kush, Jammu and Kashmir, Ladakh, and the Kushan empire, again, in the northwest part of India.

    And that accounts for the Greek style in some of the images of the Buddha.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    The people of northwest India definitely of some different genes for features and skin than southern india due to peoples such as the greeks and others.
  • edited June 2011
    Looks like back then there was a large Dandaka forest blocking the north from the south.

    Btw, I always thought the Buddha would look Asian. But when looking back at the description, there is mention of the Buddha having saphire blue eyes. I would say he looks mix.
  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    I've heard it said that Buddhism has not truly arrived in a country until that country makes the Buddha in its image. With that in mind I have no idea what an American Buddha might look like (given the vast range of differing cultures and traditions found in America) but I've tried to envision a personal Buddha. He'd have long, slightly unkempt hair, well-worn jeans, ether work boots or Converse All-Star (or something similar) shoes, a t-shirt and perhaps a flannel overshirt.
    this topic cracks me up. i thought this deserved a doodle. forgot to make his hair long though, dang.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    I like it. Nice drawing and very funny.
  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    I like it. Nice drawing and very funny.
    thanks jeffrey :)

    ah, the things i do instead of meditating... :rolleyes:
  • CinorjerCinorjer Veteran
    edited June 2011
    For better or worse, the Buddha in the west is the fat, grinning Buddha. Considering what we know of Guatama's life, that could actually be what he looked like later in life, after he gave up the ascetic life. Sure, the usual monk might have gone hungry with an empty begging bowl. This was the Buddha, though, and you don't think everyone he met tried to give him food, as an act of Dana unsurpassed in acquiring merit? After all, what else could you give him? It's the Buddha! And I fed him! I see the Buddha as constantly having to turn down meals from the stream of visitors.

    And I like having Hotei stand in for the Buddha in the west. For a culture that has turned healthy living into a religion, this fat Buddha speaks to the fatty inside all of us. He grins and sometimes dances, and reminds us that inside every skinny, fat and flavor deprived, cholesterol counting and bottled water swigging person keeping the hamster wheel turning ever faster is someone who knows in the end, all it means is some of us get to fit into a smaller coffin.

    Fat people have Buddha Nature, too.
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    Guys, he's not Buddha. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budai
  • Guys, he's not Buddha. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budai
    He's not the historical Guatama, no. But what does the Maitreya Buddha really look like? And Hotei/Budai started off in Chinese folklore before being coopted by Buddhists.
  • ZenshinZenshin Veteran East Midlands UK Veteran
    @zombiegirl,

    Loved your drawing.
  • Guanyin is the bodhisattva associated with compassion as venerated by East Asian Buddhists, usually as a female.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanyin

    I like this image.
    gy.jpg 87.8K
  • @Cinorjer- how can you say the Buddha in the west is "the fat, grinning Buddha"? I know plenty of Buddhists, including me, that would take great issue with that. Mine is a combination of Tibetan and North Indian (that I bought at Wal-Mart, by the way). That's a very unequivocal statement. I disagree strongly. As is shown by the Quan Yin, there are plenty of other Buddha-images recognized in the West.

    Including the Greco-Buddhist ones. How can you just say such a thing?
  • edited June 2011
    For better or worse, the Buddha in the west is the fat, grinning Buddha.
    Is this what you have in mind ? ( Hotei )
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/emersonrauth/5877171374/sizes/l/in/photostream/
  • @Cinorjer- how can you say the Buddha in the west is "the fat, grinning Buddha"? I know plenty of Buddhists, including me, that would take great issue with that. Mine is a combination of Tibetan and North Indian (that I bought at Wal-Mart, by the way). That's a very unequivocal statement. I disagree strongly. As is shown by the Quan Yin, there are plenty of other Buddha-images recognized in the West.

    Including the Greco-Buddhist ones. How can you just say such a thing?
    I don't mean for Buddhists. I'm talking about the entire popular culture, the great mass of people out there, most of whom will never know and don't care what the historical Buddha was named. Most people, almost everyone in the entire Western world, if you show them a statue of Hotei and ask them who it is, will say "Buddha, of course." It's even called the Laughing Buddha.

    That's not going to change.

    So in popular culture, the Laughing Buddha is the face of Buddha. Hey, don't blame me. It's because the little laughing guy is everywhere.
  • edited June 2011
    Actually people usually have both in other countries too. I prefer Gautama Buddha .
  • mugzymugzy Veteran
    Most people, almost everyone in the entire Western world, if you show them a statue of Hotei and ask them who it is, will say "Buddha, of course." It's even called the Laughing Buddha.

    That's not going to change.
    On the contrary, I don't believe that it's impossible to change that misconception. I feel that it can certainly change with the proper knowledge, for example gently correcting and educating people who refer to Budai/Hotei as Buddha. Perhaps it's because Buddhism has only recently become more prevalent throughout the Western world, and there are so many different images of bodhisattvas, enlightened masters, and of course Shakyamuni Buddha himself.

    It would be akin to people identifying Saint John the Baptist as Jesus Christ, as they often are depicted in a similar manner - robe, beard, staff, etc - yet they are completely separate beings. It would take time for this to be corrected, but I doubt Christians would just accept this and allow the mistake to be further ingrained into the culture.
  • You might be right. I live among people who have little curiosity or inclination to care one way or another. Doesn't mean all of the Western culture is like this.
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran

    I don't mean for Buddhists. I'm talking about the entire popular culture, the great mass of people out there, most of whom will never know and don't care what the historical Buddha was named. Most people, almost everyone in the entire Western world, if you show them a statue of Hotei and ask them who it is, will say "Buddha, of course." It's even called the Laughing Buddha.

    That's not going to change.

    So in popular culture, the Laughing Buddha is the face of Buddha. Hey, don't blame me. It's because the little laughing guy is everywhere.
    Before I became a Buddhist in my stoner days I bought a Budai bong. I just thought it was cool looking but all I thought it was was Buddha.
  • I've heard it said that Buddhism has not truly arrived in a country until that country makes the Buddha in its image. With that in mind I have no idea what an American Buddha might look like (given the vast range of differing cultures and traditions found in America) but I've tried to envision a personal Buddha. He'd have long, slightly unkempt hair, well-worn jeans, ether work boots or Converse All-Star (or something similar) shoes, a t-shirt and perhaps a flannel overshirt.
    this topic cracks me up. i thought this deserved a doodle. forgot to make his hair long though, dang.
    That's actually very cool. I like that. Would you mind if I were to use that as a basis for a tattoo some day?

  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    I've heard it said that Buddhism has not truly arrived in a country until that country makes the Buddha in its image. With that in mind I have no idea what an American Buddha might look like (given the vast range of differing cultures and traditions found in America) but I've tried to envision a personal Buddha. He'd have long, slightly unkempt hair, well-worn jeans, ether work boots or Converse All-Star (or something similar) shoes, a t-shirt and perhaps a flannel overshirt.
    this topic cracks me up. i thought this deserved a doodle. forgot to make his hair long though, dang.
    That's actually very cool. I like that. Would you mind if I were to use that as a basis for a tattoo some day?

    haha, of course not. glad you like it. i haven't drawn anything in a few months, but for some reason, your comment got that little wheel of creativity moving in my head. so thanks for that. :) i like the idea of the personal buddha.
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