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What do you think? Is there hope for our earth?

jlljll Veteran
edited June 2011 in Buddhism Today
http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/witness/2011/06/20116227153978324.html
It amazes me that an advanced country like Canada can allow such things to happen.

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  • genkakugenkaku Northampton, Mass. U.S.A. Veteran
    Is there hope for our earth?

    Of course there's hope. Why else would anyone be raising one hue and cry after another?
  • JasonJason God Emperor Arrakis Moderator
    edited June 2011
    Reading stuff like this, I honestly don't think there's much hope that we'll change our behaviour in time to prevent our actions from doing even more irreparable harm to the planet. In the long run, I think the world will survive; but I'm not sure we will.
  • ZenshinZenshin Veteran East Midlands UK Veteran
    I'm with Jason on this one.
  • The earth is just a rock with a bunch of water stuck to it. Whether it will survive or not is a non-question. Humanity, on the other hand, is on the fast-track to self-anhialation.
  • DhammaDhatuDhammaDhatu Veteran
    edited June 2011
    The earth is impermanent like everything else. Since I have this vagga open, I will quote it

    Human beings by nature are blinded & hindered by craving & ignorance. When the Buddha taught about the sea tortoise, he said birth with a "humane mind" is rare rather than birth in a human physical body

    To be "amazed" by defiled actions is confusion. To believe the world can be "good" is confusion. Such ideas & moral crusading are contrary to Buddha-Dhamma.
    :)
    One who looks upon the world as a bubble and a mirage, him the King of Death sees not.

    Come! Behold this world, which is like a decorated royal chariot. Here fools flounder, but the wise have no attachment to it.

    http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/dhp/dhp.13.budd.html

    Happy indeed we live, friendly amidst the hostile. Amidst hostile men we dwell free from hatred.

    Happy indeed we live, friendly amidst the afflicted. Amidst afflicted men we dwell free from affliction.

    Happy indeed we live, free from avarice amidst the avaricious. Amidst the avaricious men we dwell free from avarice.

    Happy indeed we live, we who possess nothing. Feeders on joy we shall be, like the Radiant Gods.

    http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/dhp/dhp.15.budd.html
  • jlljll Veteran
    You should write a book entitled "Buddhism according to Dhamma Dhatu or whatever your real name is".
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    My immediate response is summed up eloquently in this video. :D



    But seriously, I think the momentum is too great and the time to short to avoid serious consequences. The earth and humans are resilient and I don't think its the final end for either, but I don't think it will be pretty. I guess I have hope that there are enough people when faced with annihalation or change will be able to change and that humanity is smart enough and resourceful enough to find its way through. I think the more difficult question is will society survive?
  • DaozenDaozen Veteran
    There's hope for Earth: she's a tough cookie.

    Not sure about us humans though.
  • considering we have about a decade to "get our act together", there's hope... but barely any.
  • robotrobot Veteran
    What happens in a decade? Did I miss something? If I remember right, when I was a kid, emissions from the average car was something like 95% dirtier than now. And they were doing atmospheric nuclear bomb testing regularly. The air was filthy. Not to mention spraying ddt around like there was no tomorrow. I say there is hope.
  • you think impermanence can't claim a little rock floating in space? MUAHAHHA
  • It is important to keep in mind that buddha taught buddha nature is in all.
  • YishaiYishai Veteran
    The earth is fine. It is a piece of rock flying through space in which sentient forms have arisen. We are privileged to be of high sentience, but we have serious short-comings. I believe that man will eventually out-pace his inventiveness with annihilation. We build our lives on the backs of our children (born or not). When it comes to material things, we inherit the consequences of our fathers. We have inherited this worn earth, and we will pass on an even worse-for-wear one. Although eventually we may be able to reverse this, the battle isn't looking good. Human greed and ideologies are crippling progress where there needs to be the greatest progress. But if we lose hope, then surely the end is here. If we hold on to hope though, we may live to see a better tomorrow. It's the better tomorrow that we owe to our children, ourselves, and our fellow human beings. There is too much happiness in this world to experience to lose hope and let it die.

    Whether we find replacements for non-renewable resources remains to be seen. Who knows if we will find the alternatives in time. Only time will tell, and that means that all we can do is do what we can now.

    Who knows though? The earth could not exist tomorrow :l
  • IronRabbitIronRabbit Veteran
    edited June 2011
    Dhamma Dhatu quoted: To be "amazed" by defiled actions is confusion. To believe the world can be "good" is confusion. Such ideas & moral crusading are contrary to Buddha-Dhamma.

    Add to this - "hope" is confusion - and we arrive at a place where there is no hope - and not a place of despair and destitution - but one of freedom from hope - a place of acceptance, as impossible as that sounds....
    You should write a book entitled "Buddhism according to Dhamma Dhatu or whatever your real name is".
    Whether this is sarcasm or praise just doesn't matter.....

  • VincenziVincenzi Veteran
    edited June 2011
    @robot

    it is just a time frame of when things may get ulgy, fast... in the end it is just a guesstimate.
  • ZenshinZenshin Veteran East Midlands UK Veteran


    I just saw this, thought it was relevant.
  • ZenshinZenshin Veteran East Midlands UK Veteran
    If Greece defaults tomorrow it will trigger a second banking crisis and even if it doesn't it will probably only be a matter of time before the European debt crisis does, right now history is as close as a hand on the shoulder.
  • ZenshinZenshin Veteran East Midlands UK Veteran
    Well the vote was passed so we can breathe a bit more easily for a while.
  • jlljll Veteran
    edited June 2011
    The riots in Ireland & Iceland has ended. People have short memories.

    In an address delivered at Oslo, when he was awarded the Noble Prize for Peace, that great humanitarian, Dr. Albert Schweitzer, spoke for all humanity when he said: “Let us face the facts. Man has become a superman. Not only has he innate physical forces at his command but, thanks to science and to technical advancement, he controls the latent forces of nature. But this superman suffers from a fatal imperfection. He has not raised himself to that superhuman level of reason which should correspond to the possession of superhuman strength.” This is the Great Show-down. The latent forces of nature, which man now controls, will destroy man as readily as they will serve him. They are mindless and efficient, like a razor: It is for man to decide whether to shave—or cut his throat. The razor does not care. It waits, supremely indifferent. Can we raise ourselves to that superhuman level of reason necessary for our survival on this planet? Are we mature enough to realise that we cannot destroy each other any longer without destroying ourselves? A lot depends on the answers to these questions. They will make all the difference between a common home and a common cemetery.
  • jlljll Veteran
    “All worldlings are mad,” said the Buddha, and we may well accept this as the simple truth.
  • auraaura Veteran
    In the above video Jared Diamond claims:
    "If anyone tells you that there is a single factor or explanation for societal collapse, you'll know right away that they are an idiot."
    In spite of his pronounced judgment of idiocy on anyone claiming that there is one single explanation for societal collapse...
    I claim that there is indeed one single explanation for societal collapse:
    the failure to learn, change, and grow.

    All of life is about learning, changing, and growing.
    It is when we refuse to learn
    refuse to change
    and refuse to grow
    that our relationships with ourselves, one another, other species, and the planet itself collapse into utter destruction and desolation.

    As long as there is willingness to learn, change, and grow
    there is life
    there is hope


  • This is an interesting thread and I would like to add my non-Buddhist POV, if I may.

    I see this as a realm ruled by deception, duplicity, avarice, and self interest. I don't mean this as a negative judgment, just an observation. Our collective consciousness has allowed these characteristics to be the dominate ones. We do not hold power to a high enough standard. I don't think that hope is a factor. It would take a major shift in consciousness for the world. People would have to value truth above all for things to change.

    @jll- Thank you for posting the words of Dr. Albert Schweitzer. I admire him and his work. His words are as true and relevant now as they were then. He had the strength of character that we desperately need now.

    @aura- I agree that the failure to learn, change, and grow is the root cause of our problems. There are always people who will evolve and try to raise other people's consciousness. Sadly, there will always be more who want to maintain the status quo and will fight hard to undermine anyone who would change it.



  • ZenshinZenshin Veteran East Midlands UK Veteran
    edited June 2011
    @aura

    You may have hit the nail on the head from a Buddhist perspective, but from an academic perspective the guy is right. Of course however we are Buddhists not scientists and academics so the lecturer is right from his own perspective, Though some of us may fulfill both roles.

    @kayte, an intelligent and insightful post, the same goes for @jII
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