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Steve Jobs - 1955-2011

HondenHonden Dallas, TX Veteran
edited October 2011 in Buddhism Today
http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/

I thought I would share.
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  • just heard too.



    “All external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure — these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart.”

    - Steve Jobs
  • A loss to the world.
  • BrianBrian Detroit, MI Moderator
    I have always been fascinated with Jobs; his time spent in India as a Buddhist, his spiritual outlook, his experiments with counterculture and psychedelics, and his steadfast atheism were, to me, a beacon of refreshing light and hope in a world of tight, conservative, custom-suit wearing CEOs. Here was a man who knew how to create incredible success while remaining a really nice guy that you’d want to sit down and have coffee with.

    Rest in peace, Steve.
  • Well said Brian. Well said.
  • be at peace, Steve.
  • Memory recalls the embers of the fire as dazzling
    and forgets the longing soothed and mesmerized
    Long tongues licking in darkness
    Sparks leaping on their brave voyage
  • I have always been fascinated with Jobs; his time spent in India as a Buddhist, his spiritual outlook, his experiments with counterculture and psychedelics, and his steadfast atheism were, to me, a beacon of refreshing light and hope in a world of tight, conservative, custom-suit wearing CEOs. Here was a man who knew how to create incredible success while remaining a really nice guy that you’d want to sit down and have coffee with.

    Rest in peace, Steve.
    Now here's a view of the guy that rarely, if ever, gets mentioned in the media. This is interesting. Thanks, Brian.
  • BonsaiDougBonsaiDoug Simply, on the path. Veteran
    At last I am leaving:
    in rainless skies, a cool moon...
    pure is my heart
    - Senseki
  • My sympathies go out to Jobs' family and friends. However, to be quite honest, I have to question whether he ever truly took the Buddha's teachings to heart considering his seeming near-slavish devotion to consumerism and his (according to what I've heard) larger-than-life ego.
  • He spoke of faith. It was the "connect the dots" part that I needed to hear.

    Whether you're fan of his products or his competition's, the world lost an amazing man today. A true genius.

    And I had never known he had any connection with Buddhism. RIP Mr. Jobs
  • B5CB5C Veteran




    The world lost a brilliant mind.
  • RIP


    "Being the richest man in the cemetery doesn’t matter to me.… Going to bed at night saying we’ve done something wonderful—that’s what matters to me"

    -—Steve Jobs’s résumé
  • riverflowriverflow Veteran
    edited October 2011
    At the 2:12 mark...

  • CloudCloud Veteran
    edited October 2011
    Now the world awaits with bated breath the passing of Bill Gates and Linus Torvalds... ;) Well, not really, but then everyone with a Windows, Mac or Linux-based computer would be in shock.
  • My sympathies go out to Jobs' family and friends. However, to be quite honest, I have to question whether he ever truly took the Buddha's teachings to heart considering his seeming near-slavish devotion to consumerism and his (according to what I've heard) larger-than-life ego.
    I kind of have to agree here. Apple is actually kind of notorious for over pricing everything and being incredibly sue happy. Don't take that as me being anything less than bummed that someone lost a family member, but I kind of don't get where the claims that he was a champion for the little guy came from.
  • edited October 2011
    his experiments with counterculture and psychedelics, and his steadfast atheism were
    Those are not the Buddha's teachings. Should not be followed as good examples.


  • edited October 2011
    his experiments with counterculture and psychedelics, and his steadfast atheism were
    Those are not the Buddha's teachings. Should not be followed as good examples.




    You must be living in a world of black and white. Not everything should be judged "good" or "bad". His point was it was refreshing having an open minded person on the stage rather than all the stuffy greedy people who previously occupied it unanimously. He's not saying "Hey everyone get wasted and there's no god!", he's saying he was at least much more on the path to the Buddha's teachings than is typical.
  • Hey he made some cool things. Next...
  • We lost a very talented person who made a big difference in the world he lived in.

    This is very sudden.
  • B5CB5C Veteran
    High price goods and consumerism is not Steve Job's fault. The the world fault for being human.

    Someone on Facebook has a great quote about him:
    "The thing that made Steve Jobs great was exactly that he wasn't trying to make billions of dollars -- he was trying to make things that improved people's lives. The exploitation of labor is a fault of capitalism, not Steve Jobs. If you know anything about his story of being exiled from the company he started by a money-hungry board of directors, you would probably understand that he genuinely didn't give a shit about the money. He is exactly the kind of person that is needed in a post-capitalist society in that he was driven by the desire to contribute to society, not make billions of dollars. You are mistaking Steve Jobs for Bill Gates." ~ Tyler
  • I am not going to say he was a great really nice guy or anything like that, as I did not know him. I can only form my opinion on him via what I know about his business style, which in my opinion was far from Buddhist.

    Anyway regardless of that, I do wish him a good rebirth, and I do hope his family and friends get through the tough days ahead quickly.

  • High price goods and consumerism is not Steve Job's fault. The the world fault for being human.

    Someone on Facebook has a great quote about him:
    "The thing that made Steve Jobs great was exactly that he wasn't trying to make billions of dollars -- he was trying to make things that improved people's lives. The exploitation of labor is a fault of capitalism, not Steve Jobs. If you know anything about his story of being exiled from the company he started by a money-hungry board of directors, you would probably understand that he genuinely didn't give a shit about the money. He is exactly the kind of person that is needed in a post-capitalist society in that he was driven by the desire to contribute to society, not make billions of dollars. You are mistaking Steve Jobs for Bill Gates." ~ Tyler
    It may not be his fault per se, but he fed it nonetheless. And frankly anyone who claims to not care about money ether has none or has more than they'll ever need, thus having the luxury to not have to care.
  • B5CB5C Veteran

    It may not be his fault per se, but he fed it nonetheless. And frankly anyone who claims to not care about money ether has none or has more than they'll ever need, thus having the luxury to not have to care.
    I do agree with you that I don't believe he didn't care about the money. Yet, it's not very important.

    "Mr. Jobs has clearly never craved money for money’s sake and has never been ostentatious with his wealth. He took a $1-a-year salary from Apple before stepping down as chief executive last week, though his stock options have made him billions of dollars. In a 1985 interview with Playboy magazine, he said of his riches, “You know, my main reaction to this money thing is that it’s humorous, all the attention to it, because it’s hardly the most insightful or valuable thing that’s happened to me.”
    http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/08/29/the-mystery-of-steve-jobss-public-giving/
    "

    Yet, Steve Jobs is a visionary. After he was fired from Apple. He took over a very new CG company called PIXAR. No one knew back in the late 1980s that CG movies will be the dominate form of animation. He took that risk and his movies dominated Disney in animation for years.

    Also the New York times has a great article why Steve Jobs doesn't publized his charity giving.
    http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/08/29/the-mystery-of-steve-jobss-public-giving/
  • Again, it's easy to say money isn't important when you have more than you'll ever need.
  • B5CB5C Veteran
    It's all about the mentality. He just let his money collect in the bank and didn't care about it.

    Check this out:

    Housing:
    "As a bachelor he only had a mattress, huge Ansel Adams prints, and a super-expensive stereo system as pieces of furtniture. He did not sleep on a bed for years — even though he was a multi-millionaire. At Woodside the kitchen was the only room that was fully furnished. He did have a Bosendorfer grand piano and a BMW motorcycle in his living room however, testaments of his love of German engineering.

    Steve’s current house in Palo Alto is still decorated with austerity, although Laurene has tempered that quite a bit. Here’s how a Time journalist described it: “The Steve Jobs who is currently running two sophisticated companies lives in a turn-of-the- century English-style country house in Palo Alto with his wife Laurene [...]. The house is run with a distinct 1960s flavor. Laurene has planted a garden of wildflowers, herbs and vegetables all around. The rooms are sparsely decorated, the only extravagances being Ansel Adams photographs.” Some things never change..."

    Vehicles:
    One car: Mercedes
    One Plane: Gulfstream V Jet paid by Apple for use for family and work.
    http://allaboutstevejobs.com/being/4-home/4-home.html

    For a multi billionare, he has less stuff than Gates or any other rich person.

    If I ever become rich. I rather live in a small house than live in luxury.

    He was influenced a lot by Zen Monk, Kobun Chino Otogowa. Steve always wanted to become a Zen vicar, but Kobun Chino Otogowa told him to start apple instead.
    http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/226104/20111006/steve-jobs-no-more-9-facts-little-known-about-the-apple-wizard.htm
  • Just curious if Jobs did as much as Gates in terms of philanthropy ? I don't know the answer to that, but Gates seems to do quite a lot to use his wealth to help good causes, and you hear a lot about this in the media, you did not (or at least I did not) hear that much about what Steve Jobs had done, anyone got any info on how Jobs used his wealth to help good causes ?

  • Just curious if Jobs did as much as Gates in terms of philanthropy ? I don't know the answer to that, but Gates seems to do quite a lot to use his wealth to help good causes, and you hear a lot about this in the media, you did not (or at least I did not) hear that much about what Steve Jobs had done, anyone got any info on how Jobs used his wealth to help good causes ?

    If Jobs did any philanthropy he kept it private. All I know is that once he rejoined Apple he shut down the company's charitable efforts.
  • Thanks for the link zidangus. Not having a public profile as a philanthropist was consistent with his maintaining privacy around his health and medical treatments - sometimes what we don't say is just as important as what we do.
  • I don't know about this qoute, seems a little over the top to me

    “What a loss to humanity it would have been if Jobs had dedicated the last 25 years of his life to figuring out how to give his billions away, instead of doing what he does best,” he writes. “We’d still be waiting for a cell phone on which we could actually read e-mail and surf the web.”

    but I am sure he must have been very generous to some causes.
  • andyrobynandyrobyn Veteran
    edited October 2011
    If anyone hasn't seen the video posted at the beginning of the thread of his address at a graduation it worth seeing - very fine moments indeed.
  • jlljll Veteran
    On the negative side, jobs was a workaholic and an
    egomaniac.
  • I don't know about this qoute, seems a little over the top to me

    “What a loss to humanity it would have been if Jobs had dedicated the last 25 years of his life to figuring out how to give his billions away, instead of doing what he does best,” he writes. “We’d still be waiting for a cell phone on which we could actually read e-mail and surf the web.”

    but I am sure he must have been very generous to some causes.
    Frankly I think the world would be a better place if we didn't have a cell phones on which we could read e-mail and surf the web. Rather than making people more connected such devices seem only to make people more oblivious to the world around them.

  • shanyinshanyin Novice Yogin Sault Ontario Veteran
    Exceptionally sharp guy. Meaningful life.
  • zidanguszidangus Veteran
    edited October 2011
    I don't know about this qoute, seems a little over the top to me

    “What a loss to humanity it would have been if Jobs had dedicated the last 25 years of his life to figuring out how to give his billions away, instead of doing what he does best,” he writes. “We’d still be waiting for a cell phone on which we could actually read e-mail and surf the web.”

    but I am sure he must have been very generous to some causes.
    Frankly I think the world would be a better place if we didn't have a cell phones on which we could read e-mail and surf the web. Rather than making people more connected such devices seem only to make people more oblivious to the world around them.

    That was my point, I don't think reading email and surfing the web on the cell phone was, A: Apples or steve jobs idea or invention, and B: I don't think humanity would have suffered one iota if we could not do either of them, In fact I'm sure humanity would have coped pretty well in the last forty-fifty years if Apple or the cell phone never existed.



  • Frankly I think the world would be a better place if we didn't have a cell phones on which we could read e-mail and surf the web. Rather than making people more connected such devices seem only to make people more oblivious to the world around them.


    People use the internet to connect with people. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of time spent on the internet is dedicated to connecting with people. That's why facebook is so popular.

    Also, the definition of "The world around them" needs to be re-examined in light of technology. Technology has expanded the possibilities for defining what is "around" us.


  • Frankly I think the world would be a better place if we didn't have a cell phones on which we could read e-mail and surf the web. Rather than making people more connected such devices seem only to make people more oblivious to the world around them.


    People use the internet to connect with people. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of time spent on the internet is dedicated to connecting with people. That's why facebook is so popular.

    Also, the definition of "The world around them" needs to be re-examined in light of technology. Technology has expanded the possibilities for defining what is "around" us.
    People used to connect in a much less superficial way before the internet though I think. Text loses so much human personality compared to speaking in person or even over the phone.

    I do agree with you about defining the world around us being helped by technology. One thing I think people need to remember, is we're not at the end point here. There are some negative aspects to technology, but in my opinion, as technology progresses each individual "piece" of technology seems to have less and less shortcomings as time goes on. For instance, look at how easy it is to have a live video conversation with people across the world now. You couldn't do that 10 years ago really, so at least we're constantly trying to solve the problems that technology itself brings too.

    This actually reminds me of another belief people had as technology increases. How often have you heard people say life is just horrible these days, there's so much crime and death and this and that. The fact is, the only reason they think that is because now they have access to information about the rest of the world rather than just their little community. In reality, life has never been easier or more peaceful and the people have never been more compassionate since at least the dawn of civilization. Just look at the fact that our politicians need to lie about the facts to start an unjust war these days, when in the past leaders went to war for whatever reason at whatever time they felt like. sorry for the tangent, hard to turn off early morning thoughts :P
  • B5CB5C Veteran
    Have you all noticed that most of the political cartoonists think he is in heaven?
    http://blog.cagle.com/tag/steve-jobs-RIP

  • hehe, I'd like to see a reincarnation cartoon of him:

    He's in a garage with Wozniak: "Hey Woz, I got a great idea for an electronic egg beater..."
  • JasonJason God Emperor Arrakis Moderator
    My thoughts, if anyone cares to read them.
  • My sympathies go out to Jobs' family and friends. However, to be quite honest, I have to question whether he ever truly took the Buddha's teachings to heart considering his seeming near-slavish devotion to consumerism and his (according to what I've heard) larger-than-life ego.
    Every ego (even yours and mine) is larger than life :) Who among us is perfect?
  • On the negative side, jobs was a workaholic and an
    egomaniac.
    And as such, was a typical American...
  • My thoughts, if anyone cares to read them.
    Your thoughts are as usual spot on @Jason

    :)


  • Frankly I think the world would be a better place if we didn't have a cell phones on which we could read e-mail and surf the web. Rather than making people more connected such devices seem only to make people more oblivious to the world around them.


    People use the internet to connect with people. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of time spent on the internet is dedicated to connecting with people. That's why facebook is so popular.

    Also, the definition of "The world around them" needs to be re-examined in light of technology. Technology has expanded the possibilities for defining what is "around" us.
    Sure, people use the internet to "connect" with other people, yet it's largely superficial. I can't recall the last time I had a meaningful conversation with anybody "connect" with via the internet (and unfortunately that includes some people who use to be very dear friends). Just yesterday my wife found out that her oldest friend's mom passed away via a Facebook post two days after the fact. If that's what passes for "connecting" with people, family, friends these days then I fear we may well be fucked.
  • riverflowriverflow Veteran
    edited October 2011
    Sure, people use the internet to "connect" with other people, yet it's largely superficial. I can't recall the last time I had a meaningful conversation with anybody "connect" with via the internet (and unfortunately that includes some people who use to be very dear friends). Just yesterday my wife found out that her oldest friend's mom passed away via a Facebook post two days after the fact. If that's what passes for "connecting" with people, family, friends these days then I fear we may well be fucked.
    I've posted it elsewhere, but I can't help but think of something Thomas Merton wrote on this topic (in the sixties!):

    "When men live huddled together without true communication, there seems to be a greater sharing, and a more genuine communion. But this is not communion, only immersion in the general meaninglessness of countless slogans and clichés repeated over and over again so that in the end one listens without hearing and responds without thinking. The constant din of empty words and machine noises, the endless booming of loudspeakers end by making true communication and true communion almost impossible... Mere living alone does not isolate a man, mere living together does not bring men into communion."

    (Imagine what he would've thought if he were alive today!)

    Its a mixed bag-- there's some great advantages with technological advances, but there's a lot of crap too-- and technology often seems to amplify the crap.
  • andyrobynandyrobyn Veteran
    edited October 2011
    StaticToybox said:
    Sure, people use the internet to "connect" with other people, yet it's largely superficial. I can't recall the last time I had a meaningful conversation with anybody "connect" with via the internet (and unfortunately that includes some people who use to be very dear friends). Just yesterday my wife found out that her oldest friend's mom passed away via a Facebook post two days after the fact. If that's what passes for "connecting" with people, family, friends these days then I fear we may well be fucked.




    Agree with you - and this is why I don't want a facebook account and my teenage daughter does and with my encouragement uses her to communicate mostly with our friends overseas and interstate. She receieved a message recently from one of her younger brother's classmate from school - this girl is also 8 or maybe 9 years old and doesn't mix with my son but thought she would ask his older sister to be a friend on facebook.



  • Sure, people use the internet to "connect" with other people, yet it's largely superficial. I can't recall the last time I had a meaningful conversation with anybody "connect" with via the internet (and unfortunately that includes some people who use to be very dear friends). Just yesterday my wife found out that her oldest friend's mom passed away via a Facebook post two days after the fact. If that's what passes for "connecting" with people, family, friends these days then I fear we may well be fucked.
    1. How deep you choose to connect with people online is up to you.

    2. Many traditional, face-to-face conversations are superficial or possibly MOER superficial than online.

    3. If communications were restricted to in-person or by phone conversation we would completely lose touch with many people. Arguably, even a little bit of contact with someone is better than none.

    4. It's so much easier to "meet" people you want to connect with online. Take this forum, for example.
  • Agree with you - and this is why I don't want a facebook account and my teenage daughter does and with my encouragement uses her to communicate mostly with our friends overseas and interstate. She receieved a message recently from one of her younger brother's classmate from school - this girl is also 8 or maybe 9 years old and doesn't mix with my son but thought she would ask his older sister to be a friend on facebook.
    Well I do have a Facebook account and it doe have its uses. It just saddens me that it seems to be becoming the main means of communication for most people.

    Anywho, my initial point wasn't so much about Facebook or the internet, but rather these devices, these "smartphone" and iPads and the like. I look around and see folks constantly on them, devoting their attention to the non-stop stream of meaningless Facebook updates ("in line at walmart lol"), video soundbytes, MP3s and celebrity gossip, all while ignoring what's going on around them. People seem to be afraid to disconnect for even a moment. It all becomes rather drug-like and contributes to the collective neurosis of modern society.
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