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Buddhist View on Pets

MindGateMindGate United States Veteran
edited November 2011 in Buddhism Basics
Buddhistically speaking, what are your guys' views on pets?

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  • Buddhistically speaking (is that a word??), I have pets.

    Next question?
  • I like mine. :)
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    I try to train mine to be well behaved hoping that will help her generate some good karma, who knows. :shrug:
  • DandelionDandelion London Veteran
    I'm not sure if my cat isn't really a hungry ghost. He sits, obsessed at the "magic door", behind which, his food is kept. Then, he appears to get paranoid that neither myself nor my husband have noticed his pretence starvation ritual, and he will go and lie on his food mat and meowl (a meowl is a word i've made up, and it is a hybrid of meow and howl). In what context did you intend the question to be answered though?
  • I've heard many different opinions on this topic..mostly in vegan forums. I love my cats. They were ditched when they were only a few hours old and became totally dependent on humans. They're too spoiled now to ever make it on the outside. ;)
  • MindGateMindGate United States Veteran
    edited November 2011
    I was just wondering how you feel about pets in general.

    Fish just swim back and forth and wait for the magic hand to sprinkle food.
    Indoor cats kind of just sit around and wait for attention/food (assuming they have no playmates).

    My first cat we rescued when he was just a baby. He was abandoned outside in a gutter during a storm. We had him for about 13 years. He was an outdoor cat and could do whatever he wanted when he wanted.

    I have an indoor cat now and I've had many fishes. I question myself, though, wondering if it is actually "okay" to "own" a pet (such as a fish), according to Buddhist ethics.
  • I am a cat servant, they own me. I am up to feed them, and share my pillow with one of them. They let me use the bed. Sometimes though I am not permitted to use the furniture they are occupying.
  • The questions that come to mind for me in relation to the OP are: are pets a form of attachment? Do they provide us an opportunity to develop compassion? (Maybe not, in the case of fish.) Does it matter, since we're householders, not renunciant monastics? Rescuing a cat definitely sounds like compassionate action.
  • edited November 2011
    They're pets. A long time ago, people tamed animals as either companion pets or simply as domestics (such as for meat, milk, fur, etc.). This was often largely based on human preference. In some cultures, one person's domesticated meat is another person's pet or even considered sacred, whereas their pet would be considered just another domesticated animal used for its meat and fur in another country.

    I have two albino lab rats and a ferret that live with me. The lab rats came from a veterinary school and are extremely healthy, and the ferret came from a girl whose mom is apparently allergic to small furry animals.

    The question is often whether animals should be treated as companions or as domesticated property, but what really gives us the right the assign them one aspect or the other? They are living, sentient beings as well. They are not simply commodity and property, and they don't just compliment our own existence. It is very much a mutual relationship. Trust me, when you have an animal living with you - you "own" them as much as they "own" you. You have to feed them, bathe them, clean up after them, etc. All they have to do is eat, sleep, and be by your side.
  • I'm not sure if my cat isn't really a hungry ghost.
    lolol... i think all 3 of my cats are hungry ghosts! cats & dogs are great... they are Metta factories.
  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    I'm not sure if my cat isn't really a hungry ghost.
    lolol... i think all 3 of my cats are hungry ghosts! cats & dogs are great... they are Metta factories.
    same here, lol. one of my cats hungers for food and the other hungers for cuddles/love. metta factories... hehe.

    i don't know about the whole pet thing. sometimes i wonder if i am truly providing the best possible life for my indoor cats. my one cat we have named the escape artist because he's always dashing at the door to get out. over the years he's made it a few times, sometimes it's been many hours before i've found him...but every time he's howling and terrified and i have to physically go bring him back because he's too scared to move.

    and then i think about the cats on my grandmother's farm. she feeds them and gives them scraps from her food and they seem content enough... my uncle even built them a habitat of a sort with bales of hay where they can lay and be safe from the elements... but they still get sick a lot... they die... i don't think that this is better. i think my cats are probably pretty darn lucky.

    "owning" a pet is one way to put it... but i think my cats and i provide different things for each other. it's sort of a trade off, but they aren't exactly understanding of that...
  • MindGateMindGate United States Veteran
    edited November 2011
    Thankfully, my cat is too paranoid to even step one foot outside. She wouldn't go outside even if we were to try to make her.
  • I like pets but could'nt eat a whole one
  • When I was a kid, baby turtles were the big fad. But it was impossible to replicate their ideal environment in just a plastic tank, or rubber basin. So they poor little guys would get soft-shell disease and die. So I quit buying them. I've been skittish about pets ever since. It's a life, it's a huge reponsibility!
  • GuiGui Veteran
    A cat and I have an ongoing debate on whom is the pet.
  • When I was a kid, baby turtles were the big fad. But it was impossible to replicate their ideal environment in just a plastic tank, or rubber basin. So they poor little guys would get soft-shell disease and die. So I quit buying them. I've been skittish about pets ever since. It's a life, it's a huge reponsibility!

    I think this makes a really good point. Not many animals are suitable to be pets. Animals like cats and dogs have the ability to form strong social and emotional bonds with people & their relationships with humans are based very much in mutual love and support, which is likely why they were domesticated. They seem to be the only animals that were domesticated for reasons other than working & being 'beasts of burden'. I have very mixed opinions on keeping animals other than cats & dogs as pets.

  • My life as turkey is apparently good.
  • I sense no suffering in my dogs. They have "went over the wall" a few times and have always returned, so I feel content that I am not denying them the life of a wolf. They are, of course, well cared for, possibly spoiled rotten.

    In addition to being "metta factories", my dogs are also excellent teachers of mindfulness, most everything they know is at the end of their wet noses.
  • This isn't my official opinion I am just relaying a buddhist account of a Tibetan practitioner, his/her view on pets. This person said that if they had enough money to care for a pet they would donate it to a dharma center rather than care for the pet. On the other hand they found it endearing that westerners care for these tender creatures (warm fuzzy characterization by me).
  • BaileyDBaileyD Explorer
    edited November 2011
    My dog has been the best teacher. Because of her I learned compassion, patience, and love. She taught me how to let go and not be attached to things. Mostly letting go and not being attached to what she chewed or destroyed, but letting go none the less. My dog taught me how to live in the moment because she showed me what it was supposed to look like.

    My pet improved my practice.
  • @BailyD That's awesome, I have to agree

    My dog is my friend and is well taken care of. He eats better than I do, is walked everyday and knows that he is loved.
  • BrianBrian Detroit, MI Moderator
    My former dog, Snuffie, was an enlightened being. The only one I've ever personally met, to be sure.
  • seeker242seeker242 Zen Florida, USA Veteran
    They allow you to practice patience and understanding by peeing on the carpet!
  • theotherlaratheotherlara Explorer
    edited November 2011
    @BailyD and @seek242 you both speak the truth! I can't begin to add the amount of 'things' I've had animals...er...'remove from my possession,' lol. It certainly helped me develop a less attached feeling towards 'things,' from a young age and taught me patience.

    I have a consistent habit of helping strays, and feel that we've helped create stray cat and dog overpopulation issues and therefore should be accountable. I feel it is compassionate to assist in caring for and providing them a chance at life instead of being caught, shoved in a dirty cell, and euthanized. That's not to say you keep every stray, lol, but humane trapping and fixing goes a LONG way in reducing issues (aka litters of puppies and kittens).

    Overall, I like to see having animals around as....they are choosing to be here today, enjoy their company. If they run away, etc, it's their choice and hope they find a place where they're happy. I'm not offended or hurt when a feral cat has been trapped, fixed, released and then runs as fast as it can away from me, lol. And I don't condone removing claws, etc. The only reason I think we should make the choice to fix these animals is because there aren't enough resources to care for continuous litters of puppies and kittens...much in the same way the human population is out of control.

    Anyway, off on a tangent, sorry!
  • FoibleFullFoibleFull Canada Veteran
    I am attached to my pet (a standard poodle).
    Even more, though, I take my responsibility for him and his well-being very seriously.
    And I often ponder the karmas that resulted in his poodle rebirth.

    My lama, however, on first coming to our centre (from the Dalai Lama's monastery in India), was inexplicably and greatly amused that we would even HAVE pets.
  • Whenever I frequent the biggest market in my area, I often stroll past a section where they have puppies, baby rabbits and baby hamsters. My heart literally bleeds, the puppies are in small (and when I say small I mean 5 feet by 3 feet) glass boxes and they are all laying down as if they look depressed or tired or something wrong. People, mainly Thais all crowd around looking. 'Shall I by myself a cute little puppy?' Please do because it ill most likely be freed from the suffering it is in now! :angry:
  • MindGateMindGate United States Veteran
    @ThailandTom : I thought they ate dogs over there?

    :lol: I'm just joking with you, Tom.
  • Some people probably do. They eat stuff like scorpians, crickets, other absurd insects. In the UK where I was 2nd chef in an inn for a while, the owners were south african and they had things like zebra, ostorich and gazell on the menu lol.
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