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Happiness, The Great Illusion

DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
edited February 2012 in General Banter
Most of us have been raised on various stories that end in “And then they lived happily ever after.” Our media pushes the importance of happiness, as though any other state of mind is repulsive. We tend to gravitate towards people who seem happy, and let’s face it, we all enjoy the feeling of happiness.

But something I’ve noticed over the years is that many people come to Buddhism in the hope of finding happiness. They think waking up is a state of constant happy. When they discover that the practice actually lands them square in the heart of reality, which includes a lot of change and suffering, and a whole assortment of emotions, they become disenchanted, disappointed. They want Happiness.

In a recent discussion on Facebook it hit home for me that many people have happiness as an expectation in their life. In fact, one woman went as far to say that she is “chasing” happiness, and that has become the meaning of life for her. I have great compassion for this woman, as I know disappointment is going to be a pesky companion for her

http://secularbuddhistassociation.com/2012/02/14/happiness-the-great-illusion/

Comments

  • VastmindVastmind Memphis, TN Veteran
    @Leon.... Great post!

    "When they discover that the practice actually lands them square in the heart of reality, which includes a lot of change......"

    The 'changing' usually means the Right Effort part.

  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    @Leon.... Great post!

    "When they discover that the practice actually lands them square in the heart of reality, which includes a lot of change......"

    The 'changing' usually means the Right Effort part.

    :)
  • I learned good.
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran


    But something I’ve noticed over the years is that many people come to Buddhism in the hope of finding happiness. They think waking up is a state of constant happy. When they discover that the practice actually lands them square in the heart of reality, which includes a lot of change and suffering, and a whole assortment of emotions, they become disenchanted, disappointed. They want Happiness.

    /
    I think the key point -- and a very Buddhist one -- is the above paragraph of your original post. Anyone who thinks they are going to be in "a state of constant happy" is deluding themselves.

    I have experienced, days, weeks, even months when I would say I was very happy. But then there are the other times. A perfect example of the fleeting/impermanent nature of things that we, as Buddhists, believe.

    I think people should hope for and strive for happiness, but also realize that life is a balance.



  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
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    These are the bedsheets I had as a child. It was a sinister plot of subliminal messaging.
  • People seek happiness outside but the true happiness is within. They seek happiness by buying bigger house, expensive cars, delicious food. It's all sensory pleasure. There's another type of happiness coming from inner peace.




  • Joy, contentment and happiness, though similar, are not the same. Happiness, to me, is the shallowest.
  • edited February 2012
  • patbbpatbb Veteran
    edited February 2012
    But something I’ve noticed over the years is that many people come to Buddhism in the hope of finding happiness. They think waking up is a state of constant happy. When they discover that the practice actually lands them square in the heart of reality, which includes a lot of change and suffering, and a whole assortment of emotions, they become disenchanted, disappointed. They want Happiness.
    depending on how you define happiness, if you define it as being contented, at peace, whole, peppered with joy, this happen with buddhism.

    my opinion is If after decent efforts, people aren't getting results in the form less suffering and personal realizations, which also leads to less suffering, these people should indeed be disenchanted.
    Buddhism describe a path that leads somewhere, and many different approach to suit people coming from different background, and many techniques developed over the years for specific purposes. On top of so many different teachings from all different angles to suit peoples predispositions.
    if these people aren't getting anywhere they are doing something wrong and should explore different teachers/traditions/techniques to deepen their understanding, get unstuck, if the one they have now cannot help them progress.
  • Kudos to you leon, and to this thread. Happines just like 'love' is used too widely IMO and used in many improper ways.
  • Usually, one's happiness fluctuates with the state of one's worldly attachments. The Path offers a more secure happiness...BUT... the degree of this happiness is accelerated only to the extent of one's renunciation of "craving & clinging." Even a little bit of renunciation (for laypeople, having material things but not clinging to them or craving for more... ) does give us some respite from dukkha.
  • I ask again, as I have done in another thread, what is happiness? If it has anything to do with exterior material it is a mere break from suffering. true happines comes from within and with time will be extended to a permanent basis.
  • edited February 2012
    True peace is: being able to be at ease with whatever is (or isn't); to be able to be at peace regardless of external circumstances (including feelings, thoughts etc.). Peace with rather than peace from...

    This is achieved through meditation: by repeatedly being confronted with the true nature of reality (that is unsatisfactory, not permanent and uncontrollable), our minds will eventually let go of it...
  • Thank you all for the feedback on my article. It would be great if some of this conversation were on the site I published it on, but nice to see here. Do visit the site for some of our other articles to.

    Dana Nourie, author of Happiness, the Great Illusion. Www.secularbuddistassociation.com
  • Yay@Dana...good job.
  • Just want to point out Leon is not the author. I am, but thank you Leon for sharing.
    Dana Nourie.
  • @Dana..we know. Leon always brings us articles And videos from the web..that's why we keep him!
  • BrianBrian Detroit, MI Moderator
    @Dana, welcome to NewBuddhist.

    Several studies about internet dynamics have shown that, by some figures, 80% of conversation about content happens off-site (see PostRank Analytics just for an example of those kinds of studies). There's nothing wrong with that; conversations happen where communities are.

    It's the same as a bunch of old pals meeting up in the pub in the evening; one of them brings in the newspaper and the pals begin talking about the news of the day in the pub. At least that's the way I try to see it :D

  • BrianBrian Detroit, MI Moderator
    That said, I can see why you would be concerned. We should have some sort of etiquette defined for attribution for content.

    @Leonbasin, the more appropriate way to post content like this would have been something like:

    "Hey everyone, I'd love your thoughts on this post over on SecularBuddhistAssociation about happiness. Here's an excerpt:
    Most of us have been raised on various stories that end in “And then they lived happily ever after.” Our media pushes the importance of happiness, as though any other state of mind is repulsive. We tend to gravitate towards people who seem happy, and let’s face it, we all enjoy the feeling of happiness.
    Etc.
  • Thank you! And it's great to see such vigorous conversating going over my article. Happiness is something were are taught should be some kind of goal, but happiness is impermenant like everything else. Clinging to happiness, no matter how you define it will bring frustration and disappointment. Enjoy it when it arises, but opening ly and loosely.
  • Thailand Tom, what do you know of in the universe that is permanent or can become permanent? I know of nothing, most especially internal states of mind, which are all conditional and subject to change. I challenge you to search for anything in you that is permanent.
  • @Brian...you won't ban Leon for forgetting to give credit to @Dana, will you. I always look forward to his research..he finds amazing videos and articles from all over. Sure not all of them Buddhist but still.

    And we got a new member who has clearly defined something we discuss all the time.

    Welcome, darling. You write well.
  • @Dana Welcome to our community. A little background info might be helpful: meet Leon. He's our article-collector and video-poster. We know him long enough that we know his posts are treasures he finds all over the internet, and brings to us to share, not his own writing. I hope there wasn't a misunderstanding. Brian is one of the forum admins and owners. If you have a concern, he'll address it.
  • Thank you@dakini. It's great to find this community, and I'm grateful he shared my article and inspired conversation. It just looked like folks were attributing to him. I appreciate the clarification and the discourse!
  • Oh I don't want anyone banned! :-) it really is nice to meet all of you, and it is ok to share my articles. I hope you'll read the others from that site.
  • I can see how it would look that way. When we say, "Thank you, Leon", we mean: thank you for bringing us this good find. :)
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    Just want to point out Leon is not the author. I am, but thank you Leon for sharing.
    Dana Nourie.
    Sure!:)
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    That said, I can see why you would be concerned. We should have some sort of etiquette defined for attribution for content.

    @Leonbasin, the more appropriate way to post content like this would have been something like:

    "Hey everyone, I'd love your thoughts on this post over on SecularBuddhistAssociation about happiness. Here's an excerpt:
    Most of us have been raised on various stories that end in “And then they lived happily ever after.” Our media pushes the importance of happiness, as though any other state of mind is repulsive. We tend to gravitate towards people who seem happy, and let’s face it, we all enjoy the feeling of happiness.
    Etc.
    Understood!
  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    You guys are too funny!:) Thanks everyone!
  • BrianBrian Detroit, MI Moderator
    @Brian...you won't ban Leon for forgetting to give credit to @Dana, will you.
    Oh no, of course not. We only ban people for being jerks, not making mistakes :D

  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    This, if I may say so, is something I have banged on about (as nauseam) in the past... I'm sure my insistence must have irritated some members for all that....

    I have always asked people to give links, cite sources or supply verifiable references, if the text or article they are posting is not theirs.

    I hope that Dana's presence on the forum, and contribution to the thread helps to underline how important this is, now, for people to 'get it'.
    Authors have every right to be acknowledged and recognised, and it's extremely important to give factual origin...

    We're extremely lucky that @Dana has been so good-natured about the matter.

    Future authors may not be so generous.....

    Thanks all! :)
  • Everyone should read
    ..maybe we need a few rules.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    you just read them.
    That and be nice to one another.
    covers it really.
  • We're extremely lucky that @Dana has been so good-natured about the matter.
    Indeed, she could have sued NewBuddhist for all that it's worth. The shareholders would have been most displeased!
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