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Jesus Christ

BeyondPrairBeyondPrair
edited March 2012 in Philosophy
Was Jesus the Nazarene a Buddha?

A topic that I've been asking myself about for awhile, if anyone could help me out I'd apreciate it.
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  • Lady_AlisonLady_Alison Veteran
    Dakini...vinlyn .... go!

  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    Perhaps. Does it matter? If so, there is a few websites I have seen on this topic. There might be some books too.
  • TheFoundTheFound
    I don't think jesus existed..
  • BeyondPrairBeyondPrair
    I don't suppose it matters, but in that sense does it matter if anyone was a Buddha??
  • BeyondPrairBeyondPrair
    @TheFound really? That's interesting, why is that?
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    I don't think jesus existed..
    I think that's what you want to be true. From what I've read, most historians/scholars agree that he did exist.

  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    Dakini...vinlyn .... go!

    Actually, I have little to say on this...other than that it's just a question that (in my view) allows Buddhists to expand their domain. I suppose it would be just as valid for a Christian to ask if Siddhartha was a son of God.

  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    Was he a Buddha? Do you mean, was he an enlightened being? Well, Buddhists, Muslims and Jews view him as a great teacher, a highly spiritual person. Christians view him as the Son of God. So to get all that recognition, he must've had something going on... ;)
  • BeyondPrairBeyondPrair
    @Dakini, but it almost seems as if he was born into all the fame of being great.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, your obviously have greater knowledge on the subject
  • TheFoundTheFound
    edited March 2012
    No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, I will use the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources about Jesus derive from hearsay accounts.

    I don't know if this is true, so that's why I say I think..
    It's just I FEEL that if I was an evil master mind manipulator.. I would make up the story to control the world..

    You know ... if i was skeletor or megatron...or the dark lord of the sith.. this is the type of thing they would do.. attack mankinds weakness and control the weaker minded people.. for profit, I wonder who controls the world now, probably the richer behind the scenes type..
    BASICALLY I BELIEVE IT because it's so deliciously evil if it's all a lie.. and I've played the part of the bad guy before...that's why.. I HOPE I'm just being dumb..
  • KevinKevin
    Of course.
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, I will use the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources about Jesus derive from hearsay accounts.

    I don't know if this is true, so that's why I say I think..
    It's just I FEEL that if I was an evil master mind manipulator.. I would make up the story to control the world..

    You know ... if i was skeletor or megatron...or the dark lord of the sith.. this is the type of thing they would do.. attack mankinds weakness and control the weaker minded people.. for profit, I wonder who controls the world now, probably the richer behind the scenes type..
    BASICALLY I BELIEVE IT because it's so deliciously evil if it's all a lie.. and I've played the part of the bad guy before...that's why..
    I'd say pretty much is true about Buddha also.

  • TheFoundTheFound
    edited March 2012
    you know maybe that's why i like buddhism, because it obviously wasn't created by the dark lord of the sith LOL... uhh right?! because .....right?
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited March 2012
    @BeyondPrair um, well, I don't know that I do have greater knowledge, nor that it's that obvious, ha.
    From what I understand, his respect among Buddhists and Muslims was earned by his teaching and living a spiritual life. In any case, he was definitely unusual, and tuned into a higher wavelength, so to speak. I think the Dalai Lama has stopped short of saying Jesus was a Buddha, but he's said Jesus was a great spiritual teacher.

    I've come across some speculation that Jesus was the model for the Buddha of Compassion, Avalokiteshvara. But I suspect that's just someone's wishful thinking.
  • TheFoundTheFound
    @Jesus no offense jesus if you do/did exist I appreciate it. sorry
  • Omar067Omar067 Veteran
    No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, I will use the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources about Jesus derive from hearsay accounts.
    I like buddhism because it doesn't matter if the Buddha didn't exist. He was just a human that taught some great lessons to people. The only thing Buddhist do is behave right. This makes life simple
  • BeyondPrairBeyondPrair
    @Dakini it was more of an assumption because lady_Allison called you into the thread lol.
  • TheFoundTheFound
    imagine if it was a lie though.. it had gained too much momentum ...a lie with such momentum would never be brought down..even if we made a time machine and went back to find jesus, imagine if we found out he never existed, the christians wouldn't take it they would kill the time travellers... RIGHT?
  • Omar067Omar067 Veteran
    ...
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    C'mon, Omar, don't be shy. :D
  • BeyondPrairBeyondPrair
    @TheFound, it would be crazy if it were a aluminati created religion made to control society.

    But I don't want to bash the religion, even if Christ is unexisting, the bible gives great guidelines to life
  • Omar067Omar067 Veteran
    edited March 2012
    imagine if it was a lie though.. it had gained too much momentum ...a lie with such momentum would never be brought down..even if we made a time machine and went back to find jesus, imagine if we found out he never existed, the christians wouldn't take it they would kill the time travellers... RIGHT?
    I don't really know how they would react. Maybe if Jesus didn't exist, Christians will never believe he didn't exist. It takes more than that to make them lose their faith.
  • TheFoundTheFound
    geez I feel like im going to get smited...or smote? whatever
    I take back what I said! I dont want to incur any wrath..
  • Omar067Omar067 Veteran
    geez I feel like im going to get smited...or smote? whatever
    I take back what I said! I dont want to incur any wrath..
    What do you mean?
  • TheFoundTheFound
    to answer the original question, with respect:

    He was probably a hair away from a Buddha..
    I don't think he was completely because I think he would have wanted to teach longer and more skilfully.. especially since he knew he was in danger right? at the end..
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited March 2012
    geez I feel like im going to get smited...or smote? whatever
    I take back what I said! I dont want to incur any wrath..
    "Smitten". All viewpoints are welcome, Found. I'm into the Jesus-in-the-East story. Wait til the government of India opens his tomb in Kashmir, and does DNA testing on him. According to an earlier thread we had on this topic, they're interested in doing that, but radical Muslims control the area for now.

    edit: so according to a number of sources (this is very controversial, of course) he did spend the rest of his life teaching, mainly in Kashmir. One of our members posted a translation of a text about part of his life in India.

  • StudentStudent
    I personally believe he did exist, and was a very great teacher, with many good things to say about life and compassion towards fellow man. But if I'm going to believe the documents we have about him (which I am) then I also have to believe he claimed to be some sort of Deity, and I do not believe a Buddha (Bodhisattva??) would make such a claim.
  • TheFoundTheFound
    What do you mean?
    damn im sorry I wasn't trying to be sarcastic or facetious ...i really just think that some radicals are going to get me one day for saying something anti christian..or god himself if he does exist will GET ME or ill go to hell or whatever giant array of vengeful angry god devil stuff happens
  • Omar067Omar067 Veteran
    damn im sorry I wasn't trying to be sarcastic or facetious ...i really just think that some radicals are going to get me one day for saying something anti christian..or god himself if he does exist will GET ME or ill go to hell or whatever giant array of vengeful angry god devil stuff happens
    Don't worry about things like that to much.
  • BeyondPrairBeyondPrair
    @thefound, 10 minutes ago you were certain Jesus didn't exist, now your afraid of torture in the after life??
  • Omar067Omar067 Veteran
    10 minutes ago you were certain Jesus didn't exist, now your afraid of torture in the after life??
    Maybe he was a Christian before. I usually feel uncomfortable when I say something that disagrees with Jesus's teachings. All ex-Christians go through this a little bit. Some of us do.
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    I just found this:
    on Jesus in India. An American Zen monk says some Vietnamese Zen monks showed him a text about Jesus in India, so he went to Kashmir to check out the story about a Tibetan text on Jesus in India, and found it.
  • BeyondPrairBeyondPrair
    10 minutes ago you were certain Jesus didn't exist, now your afraid of torture in the after life??
    Maybe he was a Christian before. I usually feel uncomfortable when I say something that disagrees with Jesus's teachings. All ex-Christians go through this a little bit. Some of us do.
    Oh, yes I know what your talking about

  • BekenzeBekenze
    We won't ever know. If he even did exist, will we truly know what he taught?

    Same thing could even be said about the Buddha.
  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    I think he was a clever man who had a charm and was persuasive, who could also do some types of magic.
  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    edited March 2012
    I think he was a clever man who had a charm and was persuasive, who could also do some types of magic.
    To note, I have nothing against Christians and respect that in itself, it can help people in their lives and turn bad into good, but I just don't follow it.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited March 2012
    @the
    No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; ......could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources about Jesus derive from hearsay accounts.

    @Thefound, if you copy and paste a piece of text, please give reference or link as to where it comes from.
    Cutting/copying and pasting a piece of text or writing which is not originally yours, is breach of copyright.
    Please let us know where you got this from.
    Thanks.
  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    Dakini...vinlyn .... go!

    They are not Pokemon you know @Lady_Alison

  • ZenBadgerZenBadger Derbyshire, UK Veteran
    I suspect that the historical Jesus said a fair few things that fit in with the character that has come down to us today but I also suspect that a lot has been selectively edited out of his image by Paul and the various councils that set the Biblical canon. Without a time machine we can't know whether Jesus was a Buddha, but then again we can't know whether Siddhartha Gautama became a Buddha either. Does it really matter if their teachings make us and all around us better, happier people?
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited March 2012
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  • Lady_AlisonLady_Alison Veteran

    If the prophet was not God, then the Christian faith in salvation would fall apart. That leaves his teaching which center around the golden rule to be important, none the less.
    imagine if it was a lie though.. it had gained too much momentum ...a lie with such momentum would never be brought down..even if we made a time machine and went back to find jesus, imagine if we found out he never existed, the christians wouldn't take it they would kill the time travellers... RIGHT?
  • CinorjerCinorjer Veteran
    Which Jesus are we talking about? The historical Jewish preacher near as we can reconstruct, the social rebel as depicted in some of the Gospel, the predestined Messiah as depicted in other parts of the Gospel, or the supernatural sacrificed God from yet other parts of the NT?


  • Lady_AlisonLady_Alison Veteran

    Can you post a link..ty
    No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, I will use the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources about Jesus derive from hearsay accounts.

    I don't know if this is true, so that's why I say I think..
    It's just I FEEL that if I was an evil master mind manipulator.. I would make up the story to control the world..

    You know ... if i was skeletor or megatron...or the dark lord of the sith.. this is th0e type of thing they would do.. attack mankinds weakness and control the weaker minded people.. for profit, I wonder who controls the world now, probably the richer behind the scenes type..
    BASICALLY I BELIEVE IT because it's so deliciously evil if it's all a lie.. and I've played the part of the bad guy before...that's why.. I HOPE I'm just being dumb..
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    @Lady_Alison, I've already asked him.
    I too am interested on seeing the source..... :)
  • cazcaz Veteran United Kingdom Veteran
    No one knows.
  • ToshTosh Veteran
    BBC documentary on the subject here:

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  • KangarooKangaroo
    This is an interesting documentary.



    The last 10 minutes or so discuss the possibility that Jesus was taken into India during the "missing years", returned to teach when he was in his thirties and then returned to India after the crucifixtion (which he survived). It makes some interesting points and is quite interesting.
  • lamaramadingdonglamaramadingdong Veteran
    Just as with Buddha, you must separate the man from what those who followed him did with the teachings.
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    The big question that comes to my mind reading this thread is what kind of time machine should we use?

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