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First steps to enlightenment

edited April 2012 in Buddhism Basics
Source: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dhamma/index.html

So I was searching around on AccessToInsight and read that there is a prescribed way to enlightenment. Meaning, a general path from start to finish. "The Dhamma, the truth taught by the Buddha, is uncovered gradually through sustained practice. The Buddha made clear many times that Awakening does not occur like a bolt out of the blue to the untrained and unprepared mind. Rather, it culminates a long journey of many stages."

I read that the first step is generosity, or dana. As per my reading, generosity and giving helps weaken attachment and purify the mind. It also helps gain merit which is beneficial. Thus, giving is a good first step to get one started on their path.

After this, attainment of virtue is next. Virtue is typically seen as adhering to the precepts (no harming other beings, no stealing, no lying, no sexual misconduct, no intoxicants) and living a moral/righteous lifestyle.

Just something interesting I read. There's more to it, but what are your guys' thoughts?

Comments

  • I came to this realization a while ago, there is no single awakening IMO, there are mini awakenings to aspects of life which edge you closer to fully opening your eyes to the world as it is without attachment.
  • GuiGui Veteran
    Forget about enlightenment. Just drop it.
  • ThailandTomThailandTom Veteran
    edited April 2012
    Do not strive for something we are heading for?
  • @ThailandTom

    everything is done on the path, so that when the time is right everything is dropped.

    the gradual path leads to the sudden path.

    the sudden path leads to the gradual path.
  • patbbpatbb Veteran
    edited April 2012
    Forget about enlightenment. Just drop it.
    Perhaps you could add some precision?

    Do you mean to avoid create craving toward this in order to avoid making our life more difficult that it need to be?

    Do you mean it in this way:
    "Forget about the diploma, just focus on this homework and what you can do right now?"
    which is the way i find to be the most helpful way to look at this..
    Do not strive for something we are heading for?
    here is Ajahn Chah answer to this question (at 3 minutes 18 seconds):

  • @patbb that is where I got the whole idea from in the first place :D I will never forget his words and his laughter afterwards.
  • Take that first step and keep walking...
  • genkakugenkaku Northampton, Mass. U.S.A. Veteran
    Will those inclined to the word "enlightenment" please-please-please-please-please think it over!

    Those who long for "enlightenment" are often the first to think they are not enlightened. This means they know what they are not. But if you know you are not enlightened, then that means you know what enlightenment is (it is something you are convinced you lack) ... either that or you are willing to take someone else's word for what it is. Taking someone else's word for enlightenment could hardly qualify as enlightenment so ... either you know what it is (something you insist you lack) or you are blowing imaginative smoke.

    I mean none of this as a criticism .... just as something to think about.

    In nine years of fairly intensive training in Zen Buddhism -- I wasn't terribly good at it. I just kept plugging along. During that time, if I heard "enlightenment" or the precepts mentioned more than ten times in a formal setting, I would be surprised. And looking back 30 years later, I feel a certain gratitude: In practice, the precepts come to life naturally and common-sensically. It has nothing to do with being good or virtuous -- it's just how things work when things work well. And I have a feeling that whatever enlightenment may be (and I'll leave that to others), it too is what just works best when things are working well. Bright light is just bright light. Dark shadows are just dark shadows. Bright and dark work pretty well, I think.

    Obviously, this is all just my take.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited April 2012
    This is basicly adhistana and samaya. Tibetan Buddhism just packages it differently.
  • seeker242seeker242 Zen Florida, USA Veteran
    Countless students over the centuries have invested their time and energy grappling with the question, "Is Enlightentment 'sudden' or is it 'gradual'?" These and other passages from the Canon make the Buddha's own view on the matter quite clear: The mind develops gradually, until it is ripe to make that sudden leap to Awakening.
    So it is both gradual and sudden! :)
  • edited April 2012
    So it is both gradual and sudden! :)
    Everything in Buddhism seems to be paradoxical to me. :scratch:
  • Yep, we are ignorant beings to say the least. Keep walking.
  • cazcaz Veteran United Kingdom Veteran
    Its a long path for which you have to have dedication and faith.
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    So it is both gradual and sudden! :)
    Everything in Buddhism seems to be paradoxical to me. :scratch:
    It's simple... you spend a lifetime walking along the path... you know you are walking along the path, day in and day out - but it only takes an instant, the blink of an eye - to stub your toe against a stone.
    That stone's always been there, but you just haven't singled it out - but when you stub your toe - you know it.
  • ZeroZero Veteran

    The Dhamma, the truth taught by the Buddha, is uncovered gradually through sustained practice. The Buddha made clear many times that Awakening does not occur like a bolt out of the blue to the untrained and unprepared mind. Rather, it culminates a long journey of many stages."
    Sounds like a description of something subtly inherent... perhaps counter-intuitive
  • I think its important to note that different schools of Buddhism vary on what is considered gradual and sudden.

    Generally the Buddhism we see is the gradual vision of Buddhism. Be it the path towards Arhatship or the Bhumi path of the Bodhisattva.

    Even the Tantric traditions of Vajrayana are gradual though one takes a fake it till you make it approach.

    In Dzogchen the knowledge of the natural state is pointed out directly and one does practices to cultivate and integrate such state. Thus this is where it starts as sudden and then gradual. Sudden because the natural state isn't created but actually found and realized through pointing out instructions by a Dzogchen master/teacher.

    But even so there is a gradual deepening and integrating, etc.

    Even in Zen depending on what school we look at there is a sudden and gradual approach. One may find the ox or mind through satori but needs to gradually cultivate the ox until both the man and ox are gone, thus coming to nirvana. Or one may cultivate other conditions so that they may have a sudden glimpse of reality as it is.

    It is always a gradual process because everything is dependent upon conditions. Lalala
  • Even though I personally believe it is a gradual process, having mini-awakenings along the way, I remember reading about how the Buddha now and then would say one thing to a lay person and they would in turn fully awaken. Probably a fabel though..
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    I think its like when you study some subject for a while without getting it, then one day out of the blue it makes sense. It doesn't just come to you out of nowhere, you had to study and lay the ground work, but the insight into understanding occurs suddenly.
  • Who knows. The prescribed way just might work. One of us is going to have to test it and see if it works. We need some testimonials. :)
  • Even though I personally believe it is a gradual process, having mini-awakenings along the way, I remember reading about how the Buddha now and then would say one thing to a lay person and they would in turn fully awaken. Probably a fabel though..
    I guess the answer to that is the "always already" enlightened concept. We all have Buddha nature we just hide it from ourselves in a sense. Some people have less natural resistance to their own buddha nature.

    (Sorry if this post is not terribly eloquent. I'm in a bit of a hurry.)
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