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Special powers in Buddhism

LostLightLostLight Veteran
edited October 2012 in General Banter
Awhile back I had a friend who had an extraordinary ability. He was able to read your past just by being with you. This kid could tell me anything that happened to me in the past, all of which were things I spoke of to no one. It both astounded and scared me (I like some sort of privacy haha).
I'm curious to see the take everyone on the forum has on impossible abilities like this. Is it genetic, is it the brain that enables such abilities, or is it something else?

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  • ToshTosh Veteran
    I sometimes have the power not to get angry. I do this by using mindfulness, and if I catch it early enough, I tell myself, "This is all internal, nothing to do with the other person; I'm creating this anger". It kinda short circuits the anger 'cos it really feels like it's the other person's fault, but I'm telling myself it's my fault.

    It's a practise though, I still sometimes get angry, but this is the kind of special powers I like.
    SabreBeejjessie70
  • it's something else, alright....
    Beej
  • Lotus21Lotus21 Indiana Explorer
    I can induce out-of-body experience, and a screen is raised in times of emotional difficult situations.
  • ToshTosh Veteran
    edited August 2012
    Why not win some prize money and donate the winnings to feeding the poor?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranormal

    There's lots of money that is available to win by people with special powers, and this money could be put to some compassionate uses.

    And funnily enough, all those prizes remain unclaimed.
    Arthurbodhi
  • ArthurbodhiArthurbodhi Mars Veteran
    I'm really good in Tetris :)
    LostLightToshBeej
  • SileSile Veteran
    edited August 2012
    There is something called the Six Clear Perceptions in Buddhism.

    The six clear perceptions (Skt. ṣaḍabhijñā; Tib. ngönshé druk; Wyl. mngon shes drug) or the six 'superknowledges', which are included among the twenty-one sets of immaculate qualities, are:

    1. the clear perception of the divine eye (lha’i mig gi mngon shes), which is a perception of all forms—subtle and gross, near or far—and an ability to see the births and deaths of beings; it arises due to the power of samadhi meditation on the support of a subtle eye faculty belonging to the realms of form;

    2. the clear perception of the divine ear (rna ba’i mngon shes), which is the ability to hear all sounds and languages spoken, whether nearby or at a great distance; it too is based on the ear faculty of someone in the higher realms;

    3. the clear perception of knowing the minds of others (gzhan sems shes pa’i mngon shes), which is an ability to know the minds of other beings that comes about through samadhi;

    4. the clear perception of one’s own and others’ past lives, which is the knowledge of where births occurred in the past, and whatever pleasant or unpleasant experiences were undergone;

    5. the clear perception that is the ability to perform miracles (rdzu ‘phrul gyi mngon shes), which allows the display of various miracles, such as turning many things into one, or multiplying one thing so that it becomes many, radiating light, or blazing with fire and spouting jets of water;

    6. the clear perception of the exhaustion of the defilements (zag pa zad pa mkhyen pa’i mngon shes).

    The first five clear perceptions can be achieved through any of the four dhyanas (Tib. samten shyi), but in the case of bodhisattvas they are achieved through the utterly pure fourth dhyana, and the fact that they are combined with non-conceptual wisdom makes them superior to the clear perceptions of practitioners who have not transcended the world and shravakas and pratyekabuddhas.

    http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Six_clear_perceptions

    Here's a page from the Berzin archives as well:

    http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/sutra/level2_lamrim/advanced_scope/concentration/5_eyes_6_types_advanced_awareness.html
    person
  • VictoriousVictorious Grim Veteran

    "He recollects his manifold past lives,[3] i.e., one birth, two births, three births, four, five, ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty, one hundred, one thousand, one hundred thousand, many aeons of cosmic contraction, many aeons of cosmic expansion, many aeons of cosmic contraction & expansion, [recollecting], 'There I had such a name, belonged to such a clan, had such an appearance. Such was my food, such my experience of pleasure & pain, such the end of my life. Passing away from that state, I re-arose there. There too I had such a name, belonged to such a clan, had such an appearance. Such was my food, such my experience of pleasure & pain, such the end of my life. Passing away from that state, I re-arose here.' Thus he remembers his manifold past lives in their modes & details.


    http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn51/sn51.020.than.html

    There is description how to develop this in the Visuddhi Magga as well.

    Cheers
    Victor
  • PatrPatr Veteran
    Can your friend tell the future as well?
  • LostLightLostLight Veteran
    edited August 2012
    Patr said:

    Can your friend tell the future as well?

    Not that I know of, just people's pasts. I don't like to talk to him about it much because it honestly scares me. I cannot even begin to fathom how it's possible.
  • evolveevolve Explorer
    i think its easy for most of us to become used to this particular way of viewing this world and our lives under certain boundaries of "logic", but i think in truth there's infinite perspectives in many views which includes space and time and stuff. so it makes sense for certain people to have certain other abilities like that. i think its interesting! even though i don't fully understand it, but i can see it making sense, since the world is WEIRD. and now im going to remind myself of the peace in 'no view' ahh
    image
    LostLightBeej
  • Just telling past events and not being able to tell the future speaks volumes.
    In Asia, its quite common for a very small strata of society to keep 'toddler ghosts' or ku man tung in Thai speak.

    I think its a despicable practice, but the Thai Buddhist tradition or rather certain monks actually do it. ( very common in Thailand)

    A lot of mediums and fortune tellers also do this, thats why they can tell certain things about you, DONT be fooled, its not special powers, just mischief!

    Some of them can be difficult to control and end up 'consuming' the owner. Its also bad karma.

    Hope this helps.
  • DairyLamaDairyLama Veteran Veteran
    evolve said:

    the world is WEIRD.

    It certainly is. ;)
  • I can see through frosted glass

    slainte
  • PrairieGhostPrairieGhost Veteran
    edited September 2012
    Yildun, I can see through the glass to your good health too. Thankyou.
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited September 2012
    LostLight said:

    Awhile back I had a friend who had an extraordinary ability. He was able to read your past just by being with you. This kid could tell me anything that happened to me in the past, all of which were things I spoke of to no one. It both astounded and scared me (I like some sort of privacy haha).
    I'm curious to see the take everyone on the forum has on impossible abilities like this. Is it genetic, is it the brain that enables such abilities, or is it something else?

    Everything that's ever happened to you is recorded in your electro-magnetic field. Some gifted people are able to "read" that, or pick up on it. A massage therapist at the local massage schools says he can pick up past life info about people when he works on them. He doesn't do it intentionally, it happens spontaneously, while he's mucking around in their energy field.

    I can pick up on people's thoughts sometimes. And if I'm doing massage, my hands sometimes go straight to the place of an old injury or surgery the client had, even though the client hadn't mentioned anything of that nature. When we still our minds, we can "hear" all kinds of things that usually get drowned out by our own mental chatter.
    Jeffrey said:

    I can turn oxygen into carbon dioxide ;)

    That's funny! :)

    BeejLostLight
  • CinorjerCinorjer Veteran
    edited September 2012
    LostLight said:

    Awhile back I had a friend who had an extraordinary ability. He was able to read your past just by being with you. This kid could tell me anything that happened to me in the past, all of which were things I spoke of to no one. It both astounded and scared me (I like some sort of privacy haha).
    I'm curious to see the take everyone on the forum has on impossible abilities like this. Is it genetic, is it the brain that enables such abilities, or is it something else?

    Then rush your friend over to the Amazing Randi where people will pay him a million dollars if he can do this under controlled conditions (Easy. They'll sit in in a room with a perfect stranger long as he likes, someone who knows the cold reading and unconscious bias that powers tricks employed by fake psychics) Doesn't your friend want a million dollars?

    What's even more amazing is finding out what a fantastic forest of self delusion, unconscious impulses, and how our conscious mind is fooled by our own desires. This is an inward adventure of discovery that never ends when you practice Buddhism.

    Relax. Nobody has or will have the power to read your mind, your past or future. But, people can have the power to make you believe they can do that. Sometimes they're honestly convinced they can do it. Sometimes they just enjoy messing with people. Sometimes they do it for a living.
  • DairyLamaDairyLama Veteran Veteran
    Cinorjer said:

    Nobody has or will have the power to read your mind, your past or future.

    How do know? Presumably you mean it's not something you've personally experienced.
    Beej
  • Even if you had personally experienced mindreading, it still wouldn't be anyone's power. Even our breathing is ownerless.
  • According to many Buddhist teachings, beyond a certain point in awareness of reality (call it what you like--mind training, or simply letting the mind relax into awareness if the true nature of things), time and space become irrelevant. In fact, nearly every religion speaks of all-knowingness or omniscience as being somewhere in our futures. At any rate, knowing someone else's mind could simply be a natural component of being more aware of ultimate reality, of recognizing it. In conventional terms, maybe this imprint on the electro-magnetic field @Dakini mentioned is a way of coming closer to understanding that.

    It's so funny--since we are conventional beings, we feel like the ultimate stuff is all woo, when (according to many teachings) in reality, the ultimate stuff is the natural state of things. We wavelets always think we are the ocean ;)
    BeejLostLightperson
  • I "read" someone's mind once. It was the weirdest thing that ever happened. This thought came into my head, unlike any thought I'd ever had before and it totally jarred me. After a little investigation it turned out to be the thought of someone I was with.

    Basically this thought was of a man reaching orgasm and it was a visual thought, like a picture, and then one of the guys I was with disappeared for half an hour (said he was going to call his girlfriend) and when he came back it turned out he'd been watching porn.

    I had his thought of orgasm in my head. It was totally strange. It was only that one time, but I do have a bit of a gift for "reading people". I get it wrong sometimes, but I'm generally a pretty good judge of character and quite intuitive when it comes to people. I think that and my experience with someone else's thought are somehow related.

    It sounds totally woo woo and I don't usually go in for that stuff, and I still don't believe a person can just read another person's mind on demand or something, but I do think it's possible to "see" another person's thoughts. Whether you can interpret them correctly is another thing altogether. When it happened to me I had no idea what was going on until afterwards.
    MaryAnneLostLightperson
  • Cinorjer said:

    Then rush your friend over to the Amazing Randi where people will pay him a million dollars if he can do this under controlled conditions (Easy. They'll sit in in a room with a perfect stranger long as he likes, someone who knows the cold reading and unconscious bias that powers tricks employed by fake psychics) Doesn't your friend want a million dollars?

    So if I have psychic powers, I just show them and take the money? Sounds too simple. They'll probably make you sign a contract (to be a lab rat for life) a mile long before you can take the money.

  • Cinorjer said:

    Nobody has or will have the power to read your mind, your past or future.

    How do know? Presumably you mean it's not something you've personally experienced.

    Well, no. Nor is it anything that anyone has ever been able to demonstrate in a controlled setting ever since researchers actually got smart and brought in magicians to expose and weed out the tricksters like Uri Geller.

    But it's still fascinating. For instance, last night I dreamed our car broke down somewhere and I was walking around in a strange neighborhood, looking for help. Now, nothing happened to my car today. But if something had happened to my car, or to my wife's car, or anything involving a car, I would have seized on my dream as meaning something. So how do prove teh occasional match is more than coincidence?

    it's always possible I project some sort of "antipsychic" field so my world will never include such things. Since there is no way for me to tell the difference between that and a world that actually works according to the accepted laws of physics, I have to accept the most logical and compelling option for my own beliefs. But, your milage may vary.

    Actually, my own immediate family has a history of visions and premonitions they ascribe to their religious beliefs. Belief in psychic powers and events is as widespread as the belief in a particular afterlife, and as unassailable.

  • SileSile Veteran
    edited September 2012
    driedleaf said:

    So if I have psychic powers, I just show them and take the money? Sounds too simple. They'll probably make you sign a contract (to be a lab rat for life) a mile long before you can take the money.

    If psychic skills exist, there's no reason to assume they're any more perfect than any other skills. When I'm by myself, I can often play Paddy's Polka nicely on my new concertina; when a friend shows up and I try to demonstrate, #fail!

    Obviously there's a happy medium (ahem) in there somewhere - psychic powers would hopefully be at least somewhat demonstrable, somewhere, somehow; but I wouldn't expect them to be something you could just take to the bank and start selling, any more than any other skill.

    Skill or ability in anything isn't a guarantee of success, at least not if success is determined by perfectly reproducing that skill anytime, anywhere, under any circumstances, without fail.

    There have been people, though, who have signed contracts a mile long to be used as participants in psychic experiments--U.S. soldiers. Probably soldiers of other countries, as well, though perhaps they lacked the benefit of a contract...

  • BeejBeej Human Being Veteran
    RebeccaS said:

    I "read" someone's mind once. It was the weirdest thing that ever happened. This thought came into my head, unlike any thought I'd ever had before and it totally jarred me. After a little investigation it turned out to be the thought of someone I was with.

    Basically this thought was of a man reaching orgasm and it was a visual thought, like a picture, and then one of the guys I was with disappeared for half an hour (said he was going to call his girlfriend) and when he came back it turned out he'd been watching porn.

    I had his thought of orgasm in my head. It was totally strange. It was only that one time, but I do have a bit of a gift for "reading people". I get it wrong sometimes, but I'm generally a pretty good judge of character and quite intuitive when it comes to people. I think that and my experience with someone else's thought are somehow related.

    It sounds totally woo woo and I don't usually go in for that stuff, and I still don't believe a person can just read another person's mind on demand or something, but I do think it's possible to "see" another person's thoughts. Whether you can interpret them correctly is another thing altogether. When it happened to me I had no idea what was going on until afterwards.

    Now this is interesting. Please, tell me more. Did you also have an orgasm? Or did you have the emotion of the experience? Did he know that you knew?

    I wonder about the 100th Monkey experiment and the Critical Mass described by James Redfield and other stuff, etc.. I don't believe, per se, but I sure do wonder.
  • It's very unlikely that anyone would develop skills of this kind, without making commitments that would ensure that said person would be off the radar to anyone wishing to document them. It's the same reason why Shaolin monks don't compete in mixed martial arts tournaments.
  • Lol no, it was just a really strong visual image, very fleeting but so out of the realm of my normal thought process and what I was thinking about at the time that it was very jarring. My only emotion was one of shock and confusion about the image and a moment of "wtf?".

    He didn't know I knew, at least, not until afterwards. I had no idea what I was "seeing" or what it meant until we found out afterwards that he had been watching porn and suddenly it made sense.

    He came back in the room and we were chatting, a group of us, and we were really talking, you know? Really personal stuff, and he came out with it and I was like, ooohhhh.
    Beej
  • BeejBeej Human Being Veteran
    edited September 2012
    Fascinating. I'm guessing that an orgasm is so strong an emotion/ experience that it needs another host mind to support it? Like a hot sex parasite? :lol:
  • RebeccaSRebeccaS Veteran
    edited September 2012
    Well... He wasn't actually having an orgasm at the time (that would have been awkward :lol: ) I "saw" his thought before he actually went to go watch porn. So he was thinking about it when he was sat with us and then went to go do it.
    LostLight
  • BeejBeej Human Being Veteran
    edited September 2012
    Oh.... I see. His thought was something like "I need sex right now"? and you kinda thought it too? Shame you couldn't have talked about that before he went off. :D
  • RebeccaSRebeccaS Veteran
    edited September 2012
    No I had no desires or urges, it was completely disconnected from all of my emotions and feelings and had nothing to do with my train of thought at the time.

    The only way it influenced me was that it made me feel confused.

    The thought itself was a visual, no words or feelings connected to it, like someone had flashed a photograph in my mind. Well, a bit more like a snippet of a movie. I'm sure you can guess what genre :lol: It all happened within the space of a second.
  • RebeccaS said:

    The thought itself was a visual, no words or feelings connected to it, like someone had flashed a photograph in my mind. Well, a bit more like a snippet of a movie. I'm sure you can guess what genre :lol: It all happened within the space of a second.

    Nononceptual vs. conceptual awareness - it can take in, in an instant, what would take pages and pages of conceptual thought and words to describe. I find this topic fascinating. Better stop there or I'll derail the equally-fascinating topic of special powers!

    I guess it might be worth suggesting that "special" is in the eye of the beholder; for example, a family which is very musical might be described by another family as having a "special" ability with music.

    So, what is a special power? Do we kind of prejudice ourselves to dividing things into two categories if we talk about special powers (no offense to the OP)?

    If we call it "supernatural," how can that be accurate, either, since everything that happens in life is natural? There's really no such thing as supernatural.

    It would be interesting to see if there are additional words which could describe the category of powers and abilities we're discussing, which would somehow be less subjective (i.e. one person's "special" is another person's "normal").

    Back to some existing terminology, though, the aforementioned "superknowledge" - - Donald Lopez, Jr., in The Madman's Middle Way: Reflections on Reality of the Tibetan Monk Gendun Chopel refers to a bodhisattva's varying "level of superknowledge or realization" (p. 84).

    The thought of "power" vs. "special power" or "natural" vs. "supernatural" being instead different levels of realization makes a lot of sense to me.

    lobster
  • One time i was sitting in a car with my family, and I had this persistent image of a banana covered with chocolate in my head. I asked outloud: "Why am I thinking about chocolate covered bananas?" My brother immediately responded: "Woah, I was just thinking about that!" So I guess I have a comparable story to RebeccaS's.
    I guess all there is to say is the world is weird and I'm not awakened enough to make sense of it all.
  • BeejBeej Human Being Veteran
    LostLight said:

    One time i was sitting in a car with my family, and I had this persistent image of a banana covered with chocolate in my head. I asked outloud: "Why am I thinking about chocolate covered bananas?" My brother immediately responded: "Woah, I was just thinking about that!" So I guess I have a comparable story to RebeccaS's.
    I guess all there is to say is the world is weird and I'm not awakened enough to make sense of it all.

    @LostLight -Google: Hundredth monkey effect

  • I have psychotic voices that call me names all day, not everyday, but at least monthly and at times all day for some stretch.

    I really hope they aren't real. They call me emotional vampire and that I commit langenbrenners which are like a bermuda triangle of stench or something that I inflict on them. They also call me sexual deviant. Well when I see a girl jogging I look at her butt, but I don't even have sex so it is so hurtful. I really hope these voices are not real? My mom said to tell them that they are crumb buns.
    LostLight
  • No @Jeffrey, they're not real. Are your meds helping? If you don't feel like they are maybe you should have a quick check in with your doctor.
  • DairyLamaDairyLama Veteran Veteran
    Cinorjer said:

    it's always possible I project some sort of "antipsychic" field so my world will never include such things.

    I think skepticism can have that affect - sort of shutting down possibilities.
  • @RebeccaS, thanks for responding and kindness. I am trying new medicines every month it seems. I keep a journal to try to get a feeling for how they are affecting me. Also to see how life triggers affect me.
  • lobsterlobster Crusty Veteran
    journal is a good idea for all of us, good luck with that.

    Genuine siddha seem to arrive according to our capacity to make useful service of them.
    Stealing siddha through magical induction, does not require the wisdom component.
    So for example the ability to gauge a persons interior life increases in depth as we increase in the desire to benefit others. The same skills are used by intelligence services to manipulate people through NLP or similar technical skills.

    The ability to generate an aura of well being, that manifests in others is a natural arising. It is also cultivated by sales people, entertainers, politicians and other snake charmers.

    The balance of ethical behaviour is expressed by spiderman.
    'With great power, comes great responsibility' :)
    PrairieGhost
  • Jeffrey said:

    @RebeccaS, thanks for responding and kindness. I am trying new medicines every month it seems. I keep a journal to try to get a feeling for how they are affecting me. Also to see how life triggers affect me.

    As you will know better than me Jeffrey the best your meds can do is keep your auditory hallucinations to a minimum so that you can better ignore them.
    It must be tough. You have my respect.
  • CittaCitta Veteran
    edited October 2012
    A story from my youth.
    When Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche was still in the robe I stayed in his monastery.
    Rumours were rife about his special powers. He was for example said to float down the corridors late at night two feet above the ground in lotus posture.
    I asked him about this.
    He looked me in the eye for about ten looong seconds and said " dont be silly, go and do your ngondro practice. "
    RebeccaScaz
  • RebeccaS said:

    I "read" someone's mind once. It was the weirdest thing that ever happened. This thought came into my head, unlike any thought I'd ever had before and it totally jarred me. After a little investigation it turned out to be the thought of someone I was with.

    You're an empath. That's happened to me a few times, too, but only after someone told me I had this gift, and that I needed to learn to differentiate between my own mental chatter and other people's thoughts. Once someone tipped me off about that, I was able to identify which thoughts weren't mine (the ones like you said, that are totally out of character for me, or seem out of left field), and belonged to whoever I was with. With mindfulness, maybe you can learn to hone your skill, too.

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