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syrian crisis crossroads
oceancaldera207
Veteran
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23822440.
well, it's finally happening, Assads regime has gone to far and a coalition of nations is about to step in. Could this possibly trigger more widespread use of sarin agent and other heinous activity? I am very seriously concerned right now, could see massive loss of life
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well, it's finally happening, Assads regime has gone to far and a coalition of nations is about to step in. Could this possibly trigger more widespread use of sarin agent and other heinous activity? I am very seriously concerned right now, could see massive loss of life
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There will be a US led strike in Syrian regime assets within a day or two.
(Maybe put this in members only)
I've been afraid to watch the videos of the attacks, but I hear they are quite disturbing. Everybody pray for the innocents. Nerve gas is no way to die
All wars results in masses of folks dying in ugly, ugly, ugly ways.
It often seems that the folks who rant about one method of killing being better than another, are just looking for a way to foster public acceptance for another war..
It doesn't sound like the UN is going to make an outright decision, at least at this point, to jump in. Russia is an ally of Syria, China just doesn't want to get involved. That pretty much just leaves the US. Not much of a coalition at this point. I would imagine it would be an air attack, but if we don't get Assad? Then what? Another decade long hunt for another terrorist?
Like I said, I don't know. On the one hand it doesn't seem like we can realize these things are going on and continue to turn a blind eye to it. But at the same time, is jumping into a war with yet another country truly in the best interest of the US? Of the Syrian people? Of the world? I don't know nearly enough about foreign relations to have a clue. But I do know that these things are rarely as simple as it seems to those of us on the outside.
http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/press/release.cfm?id=7029&cat=press-release
warning video is graphic.
Karasti most US allies are very upset about this, especially France. This is not another Iraq, this is another Serbia-Herzegovina, another Sudan, another Rwanda.
How many lives would have been saved in ww2 w immediate intervention. This stuff very serious, like I said,
Pray
Iraq was relatively stable, very ill advised. This situation is dire, there is potential for massive atrocity on either side.
Serious, yes, absolutely. But on the flip side of the world coin, would it be better to invest our resources in helping people who CAN be helped without getting into a war? I'm not saying that is what I believe, just thinking aloud. $60 billion was spent to rebuild Iraq after it was destroyed in the war, and they still aren't necessarily better off than they were before. But that $60billion could have done a WHOLE lot of good in the world that would have required us to go to war, like to the UN food program and medical care and so on. The wars themselves cost over a trillion dollars. That could have fed the entire planet. I'm not saying the people in Syria aren't worth helping, aren't worth saving. Not at all. I'm not saying we shouldn't do anything. But is another war the best way to spend resources when more people could be helped otherwise? It doesn't seem to me like bringing more death and destruction (and to more innocent people as collateral damage along the way) is the way to gain peace. You don't gain peace via violence, and I do truly believe that. If that was the case, there would already be peace because the world has been at war in some way or another for as long as people discovered other tribes.
Any case, what will happen is, us/UK strikes will disable some Syrian military apparatus..from there it remains to be seen wether the rebels can turn the tide.
I don't know what to do but I suspect it's time we stopped invading other countries to make them conform to our ideas of what's right. Why do we seem to just invade countries where we can likely gain strategically from that invasion.
Mostly all I am asking for is for folks to question everything, especially when I fear politicians appear to be diverting attention away from more painful local issues that they obviously can't deal with.
How many military interventions in the last five hundred years didn't
just plant the seeds for another war?
We seem to have caused so much destruction, supposedly trying to stop destruction.
I just assume that those folks who gain from the destruction are not the folks that I'd want to be helping out.
> US wants to trigger a war with Syria and thus Iran
> US helped supply these weapons to the rebels, not the state.
> The rebels are the ones using the chemical weapons
But yes, I agree, question everything.
I have nothing wrong with the vast majority of the American people, I have quite a lot of friends who are American, but the nation is lead by psychotic maniacs who are going to crazy extremes to keep their money and wealth.
Why did the US invade Iraq? Hillary Clinton in an interview claimed that the 500,000 child deaths as a result of said invasion was worth the cost. Were there any weapons of mass destruction found? No. The only mass destruction was one created by the US armed forces. Yes Sadam had been killing his own people but there was no need for the US to do what it did. Remember I have a friend who has been living in London now for a nearly a decade with her family who fled Iraq because of what was happening, she was lucky enough her family are somewhat wealthy.
Sorry I am not going to sit back and let things slide under the carpet like they have been for the past decade, mass murder, treason, war crimes, they have all been committed by the US government and other governments as well, and will continue to be committed. So instead of pointing out that I am putting forward my opinion about a system put in place, Vinlyn, actually put forward a decent excuse for what has been happening.
In all honesty I would not expect to have your backing on this as I know how much you still latch on to a notion which has slowly but surly changed over time. Anyway I have said my piece on this, people will hold on to their opinions as that is human nature so it is what it is.
The reason is that US companies are in the business of making weapons, not making things for peacefull purposes. War saves millions of people from poverty. Millions of Americans.
The recent debate about aid to the government of Egypt has illustrated the issue once again.
The aid is not cash but weapons, aircraft, parts and training and such. The contracts have already been signed with the weapons manufacturers and aircraft manufacturers. The employees have been hired. If the aid is discontinued Americans get laid off.
There is no infrastructure for manufacturing peace making products on the scale necessary to keep the economy rolling.
Allowing in UN observers into a hot zone is maybe not an option? Maybe letting them in would put them at risk of getting killed? And how would that look internationally for Assad?
Damned if he does damned if he dont?
I do not know Assad nor the Rebells. So I can not speek for any of them. But I like seeing reality as it is as far as possible.
I refuse to believe that the path to peace is through yet another war. I also refuse to be led by the Media War into believing things without knowing.
/Victor
Wow this is really unbelievable. Trendy is truth eh bro? Totally detatched from reality. Why don't you guys start looking to accredited international journalists instead of the reddit sphere.. yea YouTube comment trolls may not be as reliable as the diplomatic leaders of most civilized nations, humanitarian workers on the ground, doctors without borders, civilian eyewitnesses, etc etc
This will be my last post here, mods please delete my account. I have found it impossible to have anything remotely close to a rational polite discussion around here for quite some time. And as you can see I've found my breaking point. Its become emotionally very taxing dealing with constant assault by people who read two lines of what I write and then invent an opinion for me. As clearly evidenced by Victorious last post , no one reads what I say or gets the tone of what I'm saying here at all. Goodbye everybody. I tried, I really did.
If you want to do one last thing for me, pray for those civilians over there, like I said 3 fucking times already and no one says anything about that but you'll troll me til the sun comes up on some foreign policy shit that barely has any relevance. Thanks a lot guys.
with a pig, snake and bird . . . not to mention the fish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_poisons_(Buddhism)
I like a good internal jihad as well as the next Sohei and their chant of
'Hail to the Amida Buddha!' (Namu Amida Butsu).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sōhei
As you know, we have a battle on our hands. I think the important thing is to get riled up, forget any good council, long term human evolution and come up with a good kamikaze strategy . . .
. . . or maybe not . . .
Just be kind . . . except to the enemy, other, Islamists, dictators, Americans, Taoists, armchair generals, the other team, heretic Buddhists, bankers, militarists, imperialists, conspirators, vested interests, stupid people who dare to disagree with us, etc etc . . .
Did I get it all wrong? Again?
xxx hugs and kisses xxx
All of the evidence points to the rebels being no more likely to prove a force for good than Assad should they take power. They are a portal for Al-Qaeda.
And our poor dumb politicos are stumbling about with a mixture of motives rattling their confused sabres.
And the image is a screencap of a Syrian citizens opinion
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aa9_1377105110
Any case, what will happen is, us/UK strikes will disable some Syrian military apparatus..from there it remains to be seen wether the rebels can turn the tide.
And if they do the people of Syria will exchange secular despotism for Islamic despotism.
Poor people.
We , the west, never learn.
@how I tend to agree, however if the leader of a country IS using sarin gas on his own citizens, how can anyone argue that that *isn't* wrong? It's certainly not right. I don't think the US should just be going in because we decided everyone needs the tidy democracy we have, (lol) and to meet our needs, of course. And I'm not saying I think we should go into Syria (or just from air) either. I'm just saying that if we were ever in the same position we might want someone to help.
In the endgame just before the LTTE was cornered and crushed no or few pro LTTE stories were broadcasted at all. It then became evident that it was over even if the last shell had not fallen yet.
So these kind of videos and pictures and articles will continue being broadcasted, the latest view from one side toppoling the last view from the other side endlessly.
This is the Media War. The best u can do is to try to read between the lines and question all and everything.
/Victor
PS
Everytime one sees these kind of pictures from any part of the world. The heart bleeds.
Does anybody know how to help? Is there any charity/help organisation at least to send funds to?
DS
I'd rather just sit back, focus on my own nation, and let other nations sort out their own problems. If intervention is needed 100% no bullshit, then there are plenty of other countries out there with the means to do so. The U.S. does not need to lead every fight. Let's focus on fixing our own problems, on our own soil, rather than sending troops and dropping bombs overseas. I'd like to see some of my friends again too, the ones who joined the military.