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Yes, that's what Nagarjuna said, @Blondel. He also said "how can we establish the unconditioned if we cannot establish the conditioned".. Nagarjuna negated both self empty and other empty.
How, for example, do you know what non-white means without first knowing what white is? Or how can you know what unfriendly means without first knowing what friendly means? How do you know what fool's gold is without first knowing what gold is?
Yes. As I said, Nagarjuna says the same thing. How can there be emptiness of self without a self to be empty. But he also said 'how can you establish the unconditioned if you cannot even establish the conditioned'. My teacher is a shentongpa so I actually am more prone to think in terms of emptiness of other. At least I pick up vibes that go in that direction, though I don't hardly understand shentong. At the level of practice I am at mainly I try to see impermanence and emptiness of skhandas.
I don't. But it took me a long, long time to get to this point in my dis/belief... but I'm here. Everything is still OK, too. Earth still rotating, sun still shining, seasons still changing on time, (well, mostly!) and it all keeps on going on...
I don't. But it took me a long, long time to get to this point in my dis/belief... but I'm here. Everything is still OK, too. Earth still rotating, sun still shining, seasons still changing on time, (well, mostly!) and it all keeps on going on...
The ancient Egyptians knew that Ra the Sun God was real because everyday they prayed to him and the Sun returned because of their prayers.
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Yes. As I said, Nagarjuna says the same thing. How can there be emptiness of self without a self to be empty. But he also said 'how can you establish the unconditioned if you cannot even establish the conditioned'. My teacher is a shentongpa so I actually am more prone to think in terms of emptiness of other. At least I pick up vibes that go in that direction, though I don't hardly understand shentong. At the level of practice I am at mainly I try to see impermanence and emptiness of skhandas.
In the sense you mean it, I am irreverent, arrogant even. Maybe I will call for some form of adulation . . . Nope, not for the moment . . .
In another sense you are respecting your own sense of the sacred. A form of self cherishing . . . :wave:
I don't. But it took me a long, long time to get to this point in my dis/belief... but I'm here. Everything is still OK, too. Earth still rotating, sun still shining, seasons still changing on time, (well, mostly!) and it all keeps on going on...
In the sense you mean it, I am irreverent, arrogant even. Maybe I will call for some form of adulation . . . Nope, not for the moment . . .
In another sense you are respecting your own sense of the sacred. A form of self cherishing . . . :wave:
That's like saying: "How would you know compassion without first being cruel (the opposite of compassion in Buddhism)?" :cool:
. . . we try to understand the absence . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_theology
Sometime we find the emptiness of presence
eventually we may bow to the sun again . . .
Would you worship a deity that did not exist. Me? Yep.
No problem yay or nay.
OM MANI PEME HUM
as one might say to a lotus . . .
:wave: