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recognizing the perception
upekka
Veteran
in Meditation
are there perceptions arise when one reads this post?
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My mind immediately jumped to scrabble for answers after being faced with just this question. Perceptions? Sure I have all kinds. But is it the perceptions that matter or the act of perceiving itself? When I perceive things I am more liable to misconstrue and mis understand. I would say it's better to just observe, but neutrality should not equal passivity and personal inaction bothers me. I feel like watching without acting is ignoble.
I think we have to perceive things but constantly challenge ourselves to look closer and find new lenses of understanding.
I don't know if this was the point to your question. It's just how I perceived it, and then my thoughts on it
Cave
thanks @eggsavior and @Hozan for your responses
i will come to them again after i received some more responses
thanks dhamma friends
Just read your second post
Fear
Yes, I perceive a question.
Yes - English is your second language
um.. frustration?
eye sense ,no feeling tone,no thinking,aware,percieve nothing ,at ease.this is somewhat my brain agregate process when you posed the question,upekka.
i just did it wrong.saw the instruction of the other post.you want words.
empty,neutral
I wasn't joking - that was the first thing I perceived
Of course
Anything you read will trigger a perception, I would think, although it can be trivial. You are perceiving something of the thought processes of another, there is some interpretation in that.
yeah - I don't get it.
I perceive two questions - yours, and mine.
overthinking.
Who perceives?
Yes...
thanks for the help provided
Who gets the jackpot? ??
if one sees the perception as the perception and does not think the perception arisen within is the object one does not react to the object
if one doesn't react to the perception one is 'here and now'
that doesn't mean one is inactive but one can act wisely without greed, hate and delusion
no need to agree or disagree to these writings but if one tries to see whether there is any truth in them would be fruitful
thanks
...But wait..."I" perceive more......
It's interesting @upekka ...
When discussing the five aggregates, some teachers refer to them as Form "Perception" Sensation, Mental formation, Consciousness and then there are others who might use "Recognition" in place of "Perception" ( I've also seen "Cognition" used) ....and in the thread's title you have used both words...(be it one being a verb and the other a noun)
Recognising (verb) the perception (noun)
When you could have also used....
Perceiving (verb) the Recognition (noun)....
Or...
Recognising the recognition ....
Or...
Perceiving the perception ....
Or...
Re-cognising the cognition ....
Damn perception, at times it can make a mountain out of a mole hill
always
hmm...interesting , word text form,doesn't affect my emotiional and thinking perception of the object alot compared to living object in person.i try to vibe or feel the person.body language and facial expression plays a role.thanks upekka for this food of thought.
@paulyso a good perspective, I think this is why I was unknowingly confused and started over thinking?
Well... I do have this strange way of being able to recognize a perception as such, hopefully not engage when it triggers negative feelings....
But also have this all-encompassing view of not making a distinction between perception and perceiver.
As if I am part of a whole.
Otherwise, it feels like too much overthinking matters, when in fact I prefer to just feel, full stop.
Connect emotionally, rather than splitting hairs with my logical mind??
Good point
which feeling? bodily or mentally?
can we chose bodily feeling? if we can't then what we should practice to do?
can we chose mental feeling? if yes, what we should do?
I remember a monk telling me that sañña/perception is also memory. So as it relates to your question, memory/perception/sañña does arise. I have to use it to understand what I am reading or looking at.
(We apparently don't store memories....)
We seldom simply "perceive," in an objective way, unless through the practice of mindfulness we consciously train ourselves to hone our present-moment awareness.
We usually see "concepts."
We perceive reality through the filter of our subjecitivity: an object evokes memories, sometimes triggers feelings, comparison with similar objects from past experiences.
instead of 'I have to use it to understand', it (perception) is what 'i am' reading or looking at
hope 'ditte ditta mattan' rings the bell
I don't remember who said it but I read on this forum that our perceptions are independent of actual reality, none of us will know it entirely until we totally transcend the limits of our consciousness and personhood. I believe the best we can do until that point is to nuetrally remain on the Middle Path.
A mantra which has helped me with this:
Accept everything,
Release everything.... ad infinitum
hope you have been practising the above and by now you know 'dhamma' better than before