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How to Change Your Mind

JeroenJeroen Luminous beings are we, not this crude matterNetherlands Veteran

I was recently watching the short documentary series “How to Change Your Mind” on Netflix. It was made after the book of the same name by Michael Pollan, and featured the author as a presenter. It was all about the medicinal and religious uses of psychedelics, the positive aspects of mind-expanding chemicals and so on.

In one episode he talks about the discovery of LSD by Albert Hoffman, who was one of an old school of experimental chemists who would try a little of whatever chemical he synthesised. A fascinating story followed of Hoffman cycling home while hallucinating on LSD, which seems to have been very trippy.

But Pollan also talks about how the psychedelic Peyote cactus has special significance for the North American Indians and is a key sacrament in the Native American Church. Much like Ayahuasca in South America it has a religious status. So it seems that these substances have long been part of religious traditions in the Americas. Also there was a story of a Native American man who cured his addiction through a peyote ceremony.

That then put me in mind of the mention of Soma and “enlightenment through light-filled herbs” which were mentioned in the Veda’s, although the tradition and the plants seem to have died out in India. It’s fascinating to me that this kind of mind-expanding way to the religious experience seems to be making a comeback in the global expansion of ayahuasca.

Anyway, very interesting docu series! Well worth watching.

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  • JeroenJeroen Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter Netherlands Veteran

    The trailer…

  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    edited October 23

    If anyone is interested in cognitive or philosophical means to help change your mind, here's an interview with the psychology professor and author Adam Grant. Its kind of business oriented but all the ideas and lessons are usable in our everyday, spiritual lives. His book "Think Again" was #2 on the New York Times best seller list.

  • JeroenJeroen Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter Netherlands Veteran

    Hmm yeah, it won’t be for everyone.

    “Part of what psychedelics do is they decondition you from cultural values. This is what makes it such a political hot potato. Since all culture is a kind of con game, the most dangerous candy you can hand out is one which causes people to start questioning the rules of the game.”
    ― Terence McKenna

  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    edited October 24

    Lots of effort has been going into the use of psychedelics to help people with PTSD or other emotional problems they may be having, in controlled, therapeutic settings and have been used in spiritual contexts for the history of humanity. It can open people up to the possibilities of seeing things in new ways. I agree that they can be powerful tools for waking people up and opening their hearts in new and profound ways.

    I suppose I'm wary of them as a path in themselves or a widely applied panacea. I think recreational or personal use doesn't always lead to positive growth. There's a danger or recklessness potential. Also, as a spiritual path I view their use as more of a crutch than a true path to awakening.

    My posting Think Again was mainly to point people to other methods to change one's mind, to open oneself to possibilities.

    KotishkaJeroen
  • JeroenJeroen Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter Netherlands Veteran

    @person said:
    My posting Think Again was mainly to point people to other methods to change one's mind, to open oneself to possibilities.

    The thing with books is that they are very much a self-selected ‘bubble’ of topics that we surround ourselves with. It’s like searches on the internet, it’s a biased list of topics. I’m not saying it wouldn’t be good to read all of the nr.1 NYT bestsellers in a year, it would certainly be a way to catch up with the zeitgeist, but that’s not exactly a casual purchase.

    Travel is supposed to be mind-awakening as well, you often hear people say they feel more alive and in contact with new cultures when travelling. Maybe we did lose a certain something when we left the nomadic lifestyle behind, these days one of the biggest purchases you can do is buying your own home, which ties you down to a mortgage and a location.

  • How to Change Your Mind

    ...Change is inevitable (thoughts -wholesome & unwholesome- continually changing how we see things) ...Suffering (the changing thoughts) optional

    No need to try to change the mind.... just unfetter it...

    "Unfettered Mind" refers to a state of mental freedom and clarity, often associated with various contemplative and meditative practices. It's a term used in Eastern philosophies, particularly in Zen Buddhism. In this context, it signifies a mind that is not bound by attachments, cravings, or delusions, allowing for a deep sense of presence and insight. The goal is to transcend habitual thought patterns and emotional reactions, leading to a more open, clear, and liberated way of perceiving and interacting with the world. This concept is central to many spiritual and mindfulness traditions.

    person
  • JeroenJeroen Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter Netherlands Veteran
    edited October 27

    @Shoshin1 said:
    No need to try to change the mind.... just unfetter it...

    It’s not so easy to unfetter the mind, if it “signifies a mind that is not bound by attachments, cravings or delusions”. That sounds like an enlightened mind, which in general isn’t affected by chemicals like psychedelics. I remember Ram Dass’ story about how he went to India with doses of LSD and gave them to various gurus and noticed it hardly seemed to affect them, and was told later that it allows them to see the “lesser lights”, the first stages of what comes after death.

    Even a mind with few attachments or delusions will be stuck in the bubble of what it knows. It’s one of those things, you usually hardly notice that your mind stays on certain tracks, and that what you perceive is just the ordinary.

    For many people these substances have inspired a deep spiritual search, for those of us who are still bound by habits and attachments it opens up a window where we can catch a glimpse of the wider universe. I’ve been following some of Graham Hancock’s stories about his psychedelic voyages and the things he encountered, it seems to really unleash something visionary in some people.

    There are non-chemical techniques like breathwork which can have a similar effect. Stanislav Grof did a lot of work with these in the time after Nixon’s “war on drugs” started in the late 1960’s. In some ayahuasca retreat centres like Rythmia in Costa Rica they do a day of breathwork sessions to prepare people before doing ayahuasca ceremonies.

    Shoshin1
  • JeroenJeroen Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter Netherlands Veteran
    edited October 30

    @person said:
    I suppose I'm wary of them as a path in themselves or a widely applied panacea. I think recreational or personal use doesn't always lead to positive growth. There's a danger or recklessness potential. Also, as a spiritual path I view their use as more of a crutch than a true path to awakening.

    That’s true but growth isn’t always the answer. When an oak tree reaches middle age it doesn’t get any taller, just a little wider and it’s growth lies in successive generations of acorns it produces. I think with humans we produce children when young, and we try and produce wisdom when middle aged.

    I think with a lot of psychedelics their real use lies in deconditioning, in starting down a new, fresh path that is different from where the mind has taken you before. Whether that is truly awakening is a matter for debate, because psychedelics have their own logic about where they take you, from what I’ve read and seen.

    When you see ‘positive growth’ or ‘awakening’ as your goal, you are holding in mind a certain image of where you want to go. If this is something specific and relatively clearly defined, like the path to being a Buddhist arhat, then psychedelics probably aren’t for you. Instead, psychedelics as I understand it are for those people who could do with a new inspiration.

  • JeroenJeroen Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter Netherlands Veteran

    I wanted to add this video, which is an intelligent high level interview of the author Michael Pollan conducted by Hamilton Morris. Really worth watching if you are interested in the debate around the war on drugs and legalisation…

  • JeroenJeroen Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter Netherlands Veteran

    I thought Hamilton’s approach in this chat was very interesting: he basically said that although Pollan’s book takes a medical and religious approach to the uses of psychedelics, there was a wider issue — that in reality the right to use mind-expanding chemicals ought to be basic to the human condition, like appreciating music or freedom from slavery. That framing the debate in terms of medical usefulness was to potentially miss this bigger question.

    The war on drugs has been a failure of massive proportions, wasting a lot of law enforcement funds, creating much criminality and damaging many lives. The legalisation of cannabis in 10 US states so far has created the beginnings of a wave of potential decriminalisation of a variety of useful and harmless substances. I’m largely in favour of this, it makes no sense to me to have an underground industry making these things.

    They also talked about the situation which got psychedelic mushrooms banned in the Netherlands. There was a French girl who took a dose of mushrooms in Amsterdam and ended up jumping out of a five storey window and died, the case got taken up by the media and the courts banned mushrooms. It shows the power of the media in these kinds of cases. The banning of ayahuasca here was similar, it followed a scare story.

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