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"Buddha's Teachings" - in 1,000 years, how will they know?

This may have already been mentioned in another thread but on Facebook, at least here in America, I have seen a big rise in popularity of social media pages with names like Buddha's Teachings or even just The Buddha.

Unsurprisingly they are full of quotes that are not from recognized teachings but are mostly just self-help nuggets. Many of them are benign and may even be good advice, but I realized that this whole large language model, or whatever AI is supposed to do on the research side, is not going to be able to differentiate between this stuff down the road.

Obviously Buddhism looks very different for us than it did for people 2,000+ years ago, but I think even just a few centuries from now, the concept of Buddhism may not look like anything we would recognize today.

lobster

Comments

  • TavsTavs Leeds Explorer

    Maybe it'll be in a better state than Christianity?

    Ren_in_black
  • IdleChaterIdleChater USA Veteran

    Buddhism has changed and will continue changing until the world has forgotten the Buddhadharma. Then, a new Buddha will arise, and turn the Wheel of Dharma

    Ren_in_blacklobster
  • JeroenJeroen Not all those who wander are lost Netherlands Veteran
    edited November 4

    Books last quite a long time, in paper form. There are people who have bought all the volumes of the translated Pali Canon. In digital form, who knows how long the files will be copied and re-copied.

    But perhaps online archives like Access To Insight will stay the course and provide the authentic words of the Buddha to LLMs.

    Ren_in_blackIdleChater
  • Ren_in_blackRen_in_black Georgia Veteran

    @Jeroen said:
    Books last quite a long time, in paper form. In digital form, who knows how long the files will be copied and re-copied.

    True, but my concern is that the search engine won't be able to differentiate between the digital copies of established teaching and the self-help content labeled as Buddha's Teachings, for example. These social media pages don't have to explain that they are inspired by the Buddha rather than sharing the actual teachings; there's no requirement (that I've seen) for them to alert a search engine what their source is.

    Fifty years from now, if a serious researcher found a concept that grabbed them, they could hopefully see that "oh, this comes from an old social media platform, what I'm reading can't be verified as a teaching." But a big search engine may not have that same power, because the content won't necessarily be flagged as such.

    So if someone asked Google AI to give them a list of Buddhist concepts, the search engine will find the correct digital files but it may also accidentally mix in the social media stuff at the same time, which slowly distorts the original teachings, perhaps to the point where they would be unrecognizable to people living today.

  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran

    Hopefully AI will improve on its reliability in time.

    lobster
  • lobsterlobster Crusty Veteran

    Well in the short term we have to rely on the results of hard won practice. Enlightened bodhi. Enlightened body of dharma and a few nomadic synthetic zeniths and other Mahayana heretics.

    Anyway I am off to the pure-lands to look for temporary perfects to Grok.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_Land_Buddhism

    Ren_in_black
  • Ren_in_blackRen_in_black Georgia Veteran

    @Jeroen said:
    But perhaps online archives like Access To Insight will stay the course and provide the authentic words of the Buddha to LLMs.

    Your other thread about control reminded me that whatever happens to Buddha's teachings in 1,000 years is what happens, regardless of how much I worry about it. 😄

    personlobster
  • JeroenJeroen Not all those who wander are lost Netherlands Veteran

    I remember there being a prophecy in the writings about Maitreya, the next Buddha, that Buddhism would be almost completely forgotten before the next Buddha would come to turn the wheel of Dhamma again.

    Ren_in_black
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    edited November 12

    @Ren_in_black said:

    @Jeroen said:
    But perhaps online archives like Access To Insight will stay the course and provide the authentic words of the Buddha to LLMs.

    Your other thread about control reminded me that whatever happens to Buddha's teachings in 1,000 years is what happens, regardless of how much I worry about it. 😄

    While this is true and a helpful attitude to take. I think its valuable to also understand we can act in our lives in ways that help preserve the teachings. Something like double checking what you pass on or take in to make sure what you've heard is authentic. You can control that, you can't control the ultimate outcome.

    Ren_in_blacklobster
  • IdleChaterIdleChater USA Veteran
    edited November 12

    @Jeroen said:

    But perhaps online archives like Access To Insight will stay the course and provide the authentic words of the Buddha to LLMs.

    Yes, but how many times, over the last 2000 years was that text copied, recopied, translated, annotated and copied?

    ETA: Let's not forget that the Dharma was a purely oral tradition for how many centuries before it was codified?

    Authentic? The word is meaningless.

    Ren_in_black
  • lobsterlobster Crusty Veteran

    "Buddha's Teachings" - in 1,000 years, how will they know?

    Like this:

    • as we squash, so does a karmic freedom unfold
    • as the river narrows, even if to dryness, it is still crossed
    • it us who are authentic or true to our understanding. You will always touch the ground. Even if the Buddha or his following are all goners.

    Unsurprisingly they are full of quotes that are not from recognized teachings but are mostly just self-help nuggets.

    Ah ha. Yum. Nuggets [lobster drooling...]
    ...here's some

    Ren_in_black
  • silentsilent Thailand New

    Many things already distorted since centuries ago. I am from Southeast Asia and our community think generosity is a core factor in Buddha's teaching. Praying to Buddha images and offering food and water to them is essential part of being a good Buddhist and so on. There are many places women cannot go even though Buddha said there is no such thing as men or women etc., However, some core meditation practice exist only followed by a subset of community and some people even think you are crazy or unbalance if you practice meditation regularly. Sad truth.

    Ren_in_blackJeroen
  • JeroenJeroen Not all those who wander are lost Netherlands Veteran

    Welcome, Silent

    marcitko
  • silentsilent Thailand New

    Thanks!

    marcitkoJeroen
  • lobsterlobster Crusty Veteran

    Sad truth.

    [WARNING: May contain spoilers]

    As we may know many chav churches, mosque masks and buddy sangha
    are just for show, occasional rituals and habitual culture remnants.

    However some of us are made of happier universal truths from whatever the source.

    Some might say we even like platitudes... :mrgreen:
    https://practicalpie.com/platitudes-examples/

    Ren_in_black
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