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Bodhisattvas?

TavsTavs Leeds Explorer

Are Bodhisattvas important to you or do you think the opposite and consider them irrelevant to your practice? Or somewhere in the middle?

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  • JeroenJeroen Not all those who wander are lost Netherlands Veteran
    edited February 26

    I see them as guiding lights for behaviour in daily life. They can inspire, even when they choose not to be teachers. I also think Bodhisattvas show up in many unexpected places, especially when circumstances are difficult.

    I would even say, anyone you see being acclaimed as a Bodhisattva in a religious setting is unlikely to truly be one.

    lobster
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran

    I see them as an ideal to work towards even if practically its out of reach for us.

    I think its also important to understand what a bodhisattva is. Its more than a very compassionate person, there is also an element of awakening involved.

    lobster
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited February 27

    I think it starts with the realization that all sentient beings can potentially become fully enlightened and that they have a starting point wherever they are. So it's kind of a confirmation and removal of doubts in the Buddha Nature.

    I don't think a picture or sense of removal of doubts prevents confusing things from happening. Same goes for discomfort from happening, though you see a path through

  • TavsTavs Leeds Explorer

    Thanks everyone for your comments.

  • LionduckLionduck Veteran

    Just a note:
    The difference between a Bodhisattva and a Buddha.
    In striving toward Enlightenment a Bodhisattva is rising others and with him or her.
    A Buddha is one who has achieved the enlightened (awakened) state and reaches down to bring others up to join him or her.
    In taking the actions of a Bodhisattva, it is OK to question, that is part of seeking. Also, the actions of a Bodhisattva are effectively the same those of a Buddha.

    Peace to all

    marcitkolobster
  • paulysotoopaulysotoo usa Veteran

    the mantra of bodhisattva: heart sutra

    tayatha.....thusness of buddha in us,
    ohm....samsara cosmic power in us,
    gate....gone to thusness accumilate/learn the parimitas,
    gate....gone to thusness of be/practice
    paragate....gone to perfect seeing of thusness
    parasamgate..refine thusness in meditation of empty--peace--and bliss--body-- given to us by mother God of all buddhas sam earth.
    bodhi...awake to be and do mother sam earth....vessel of dharma with ohm and thusness
    savha...is so the true state of nirvana-emptyness, and form samsara

  • paulysotoopaulysotoo usa Veteran
    edited April 4

    ty bodhi jesus buddha for easter day tomorrow. may all have a nice day (t)ommorrow.

    may we die to self to awaken new day to work our bodhi to our lord shakimoon and christ brother in dharma.

  • paulysotoopaulysotoo usa Veteran

    @Tavs said:
    Are Bodhisattvas important to you or do you think the opposite and consider them irrelevant to your practice? Or somewhere in the middle?

    bodhi is natural. everyone is a bodhi, some more learn than others as we take the vow in buddha is our wellness, the dharma is our heart light mind and be of use a vessel of nonself in our shangha

  • lobsterlobster lobster Pureland Veteran
    edited April 5

    As we know and even experience:

    Enlightenment occurs in all ages, religions and secular life. The level , intensity and nature of which can:

    • Drive one crazy
    • Drive one sane
    • Drive one to spirituality or away from it

    And yet...
    It is nothing, a flash of realisation of where one has always been

    How can we prepare? According to Zen we can not 'polish a stone to make it a mirror' BUT we can find a mirror in the wisdom that rings true and constantly from many sources...

    Happy Easter Sunday
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysticism

    Jeffrey
  • LionduckLionduck Veteran

    I would like here to throw in my hey penny.
    When we relax, stop trying to question, "Am I doing the Bodhisattva thing?" as if deliberately weighing our thoughts and actions on an invisible scale, "This will get me points" or "This will get me demerits.", and we just, without judgement or comparison, appreciate ourselves and others, the only question is two fold.
    1. Am I being true to myself?
    2. Are my word and deeds helping or harming?
    Bodhisattvas are ordinary people. We could pass a thousand Bodhisattvas on the street and not "see" them as such.
    Many years ago, in a discussion on who or what is Bodhisattva, a fellow used the analogy of a thief fleeing from the police. As he is running, he sees a child going into the street and into heavy traffic. At that moment, he pulls the child to safety. Though he is a thief, in that moment, his action was that of a Bodhisattva. In that moment, he was a Bodhisattva. He brought up that, no matter what general life state we may be in, we still posses the life state of (or the potential of) Buddha or Bodhisattva. They are life conditions and potentials within all of us, just as is sadness, joy or contentment.
    granted this is just a rudimentary presentation, and we are all striving toward ever greater awakening, but perhaps, it opens the door.

    Peace to all

    Jeffreymarcitkolobster
  • QuangKsantiQuangKsanti A human residing in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. The Hammer in Ontario, Canada, eh Veteran

    Having taken the Bodhisattva Vows, I'd say they are important to me.

    The Four Great Vows gatha (not the same as the 16 Bodhisattva Precepts)

    Sentient beings are numberless, I vow to save them.
    Desires are inexhaustible, I vow to put an end to them.
    The Dharmas are boundless, I vow to master them.
    The Buddha Way in unattainable, I vow to attain it.

    In truth, when all beings have awakened, not a single being has woken.

    Jeffrey
  • KotishkaKotishka Veteran

    I am preparing to undertake Jukai (precept takings under the Zen tradition) and have found the Bodhissatva ideal a bit conflictive because of my Theravada and Vajrayana past. In both teachings I was warned about this because a wrong doing could cause endless rebirths and, some of them, will not be as lucky as my current one.

    Right now, beyond those metaphysical questions, I am concentrating on the present moment and vow to help those I can, including myself. Like Marcitko mentions, help momma with the dishes, clean yo' shit up, don't be a jerk, keep training! Stay hard!

    marcitkolobster
  • QuangKsantiQuangKsanti A human residing in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. The Hammer in Ontario, Canada, eh Veteran
    edited June 9

    The Bodhisattva ideal is as central to Vajrayana Buddhism as it is in Zen @Kotishka. To help with the dishes is great. To help all beings attain Buddhahood is also great. Even in Therevada, the Buddha was a Bodhisattva in previous lives although they see the term a bit differently. I would suggest that those warning against the ideal simply do not understand it.

    lobster
  • QuangKsantiQuangKsanti A human residing in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. The Hammer in Ontario, Canada, eh Veteran

    I find it a bit amusing when Therevada teachers make light of the Bodhisattva path because here they are teaching others to liberate themselves and those they help awaken may in turn help others awaken. Mahayana is not opposed to Therevada, it just takes it to the next step.

  • lobsterlobster lobster Pureland Veteran

    it just takes it to the next step

    Walking backwards or even running backwards... @Shoshin1 used to do that. Maybe she can suggest a suitable side step as used by my friends the crabs...

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