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Are Bodhisattvas important to you or do you think the opposite and consider them irrelevant to your practice? Or somewhere in the middle?
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JeroenNot all those who wander are lostNetherlandsVeteran
edited February 26
I see them as guiding lights for behaviour in daily life. They can inspire, even when they choose not to be teachers. I also think Bodhisattvas show up in many unexpected places, especially when circumstances are difficult.
I would even say, anyone you see being acclaimed as a Bodhisattva in a religious setting is unlikely to truly be one.
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personDon't believe everything you thinkThe liminal spaceVeteran
I see them as an ideal to work towards even if practically its out of reach for us.
I think its also important to understand what a bodhisattva is. Its more than a very compassionate person, there is also an element of awakening involved.
I think it starts with the realization that all sentient beings can potentially become fully enlightened and that they have a starting point wherever they are. So it's kind of a confirmation and removal of doubts in the Buddha Nature.
I don't think a picture or sense of removal of doubts prevents confusing things from happening. Same goes for discomfort from happening, though you see a path through
Just a note:
The difference between a Bodhisattva and a Buddha.
In striving toward Enlightenment a Bodhisattva is rising others and with him or her.
A Buddha is one who has achieved the enlightened (awakened) state and reaches down to bring others up to join him or her.
In taking the actions of a Bodhisattva, it is OK to question, that is part of seeking. Also, the actions of a Bodhisattva are effectively the same those of a Buddha.
tayatha.....thusness of buddha in us,
ohm....samsara cosmic power in us,
gate....gone to thusness accumilate/learn the parimitas,
gate....gone to thusness of be/practice
paragate....gone to perfect seeing of thusness
parasamgate..refine thusness in meditation of empty--peace--and bliss--body-- given to us by mother God of all buddhas sam earth.
bodhi...awake to be and do mother sam earth....vessel of dharma with ohm and thusness
savha...is so the true state of nirvana-emptyness, and form samsara
@Tavs said:
Are Bodhisattvas important to you or do you think the opposite and consider them irrelevant to your practice? Or somewhere in the middle?
bodhi is natural. everyone is a bodhi, some more learn than others as we take the vow in buddha is our wellness, the dharma is our heart light mind and be of use a vessel of nonself in our shangha
Enlightenment occurs in all ages, religions and secular life. The level , intensity and nature of which can:
Drive one crazy
Drive one sane
Drive one to spirituality or away from it
And yet...
It is nothing, a flash of realisation of where one has always been
How can we prepare? According to Zen we can not 'polish a stone to make it a mirror' BUT we can find a mirror in the wisdom that rings true and constantly from many sources...
@Tavs said:
Are Bodhisattvas important to you or do you think the opposite and consider them irrelevant to your practice? Or somewhere in the middle?
Thank you for the question. Just some musings...
I am not well-acquainted with the 'requirements' for being considered an 'official' Bodhisattva, either in Theravada or Mahayana.
Maybe my personal definition would be someone that a) provokes in me and others a deeply wholesome sense of 'gimme some of that!' and b) provides tools that actually move me and others in that direction.
Since in offline life, with only a couple of exceptions, I am rather isolated in my spiritual meanderings (something to remedy), since I am mostly surrounded by decent but 'ordinary' people, and since the Buddha rightly said that good spiritual friends and mentors are the whole of the path, I consider such influences (whether from books or modern forms or people I meet and associate with) tremendously important in my development.
Finally, personally, I'd say that 'Bodhisattvahood' lies not in a binary distinction but on a continuum. Each one of us sometimes manifests 'Bodhisattva-action'. Some rarely, some often, and some (maybe) always. Each one of these 'Bodhisattva-actions' helps to lower aggregate suffering in the world and, maybe to some paradoxicaly, in self too. Great success!
I don't think that musing too much about the details of Bodhisattvahood is very helpful. One zen monk came to an elementary school and, in silence, wrote on the blackboard: 'Everyone wants to save the world, but no one wants to help mom with the dishes'. Let us 'help mom with the dishes' with cheer, this is Bodhisattva-action. It's a training, like in the gym. We practice over and over and over again, keeping failing but slowly hitting the mark closer and more often, and slowly 'move up'.
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I see them as guiding lights for behaviour in daily life. They can inspire, even when they choose not to be teachers. I also think Bodhisattvas show up in many unexpected places, especially when circumstances are difficult.
I would even say, anyone you see being acclaimed as a Bodhisattva in a religious setting is unlikely to truly be one.
I see them as an ideal to work towards even if practically its out of reach for us.
I think its also important to understand what a bodhisattva is. Its more than a very compassionate person, there is also an element of awakening involved.
I think it starts with the realization that all sentient beings can potentially become fully enlightened and that they have a starting point wherever they are. So it's kind of a confirmation and removal of doubts in the Buddha Nature.
I don't think a picture or sense of removal of doubts prevents confusing things from happening. Same goes for discomfort from happening, though you see a path through
Thanks everyone for your comments.
Just a note:
The difference between a Bodhisattva and a Buddha.
In striving toward Enlightenment a Bodhisattva is rising others and with him or her.
A Buddha is one who has achieved the enlightened (awakened) state and reaches down to bring others up to join him or her.
In taking the actions of a Bodhisattva, it is OK to question, that is part of seeking. Also, the actions of a Bodhisattva are effectively the same those of a Buddha.
Peace to all
the mantra of bodhisattva: heart sutra
tayatha.....thusness of buddha in us,
ohm....samsara cosmic power in us,
gate....gone to thusness accumilate/learn the parimitas,
gate....gone to thusness of be/practice
paragate....gone to perfect seeing of thusness
parasamgate..refine thusness in meditation of empty--peace--and bliss--body-- given to us by mother God of all buddhas sam earth.
bodhi...awake to be and do mother sam earth....vessel of dharma with ohm and thusness
savha...is so the true state of nirvana-emptyness, and form samsara
ty bodhi jesus buddha for easter day tomorrow. may all have a nice day (t)ommorrow.
may we die to self to awaken new day to work our bodhi to our lord shakimoon and christ brother in dharma.
bodhi is natural. everyone is a bodhi, some more learn than others as we take the vow in buddha is our wellness, the dharma is our heart light mind and be of use a vessel of nonself in our shangha
As we know and even experience:
Enlightenment occurs in all ages, religions and secular life. The level , intensity and nature of which can:
And yet...
It is nothing, a flash of realisation of where one has always been
How can we prepare? According to Zen we can not 'polish a stone to make it a mirror' BUT we can find a mirror in the wisdom that rings true and constantly from many sources...
Happy Easter Sunday
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysticism
Thank you for the question. Just some musings...
I am not well-acquainted with the 'requirements' for being considered an 'official' Bodhisattva, either in Theravada or Mahayana.
Maybe my personal definition would be someone that a) provokes in me and others a deeply wholesome sense of 'gimme some of that!' and b) provides tools that actually move me and others in that direction.
Since in offline life, with only a couple of exceptions, I am rather isolated in my spiritual meanderings (something to remedy), since I am mostly surrounded by decent but 'ordinary' people, and since the Buddha rightly said that good spiritual friends and mentors are the whole of the path, I consider such influences (whether from books or modern forms or people I meet and associate with) tremendously important in my development.
Finally, personally, I'd say that 'Bodhisattvahood' lies not in a binary distinction but on a continuum. Each one of us sometimes manifests 'Bodhisattva-action'. Some rarely, some often, and some (maybe) always. Each one of these 'Bodhisattva-actions' helps to lower aggregate suffering in the world and, maybe to some paradoxicaly, in self too. Great success!
I don't think that musing too much about the details of Bodhisattvahood is very helpful. One zen monk came to an elementary school and, in silence, wrote on the blackboard: 'Everyone wants to save the world, but no one wants to help mom with the dishes'. Let us 'help mom with the dishes' with cheer, this is Bodhisattva-action. It's a training, like in the gym. We practice over and over and over again, keeping failing but slowly hitting the mark closer and more often, and slowly 'move up'.