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The importance of close relationships

JeroenJeroen Not all those who wander are lostNetherlands Veteran
edited June 13 in General Banter

I came across this short video which talked about how the quality and depth of your close relationships was the best predictor of happiness and cognitive health, according to an 88-year study by Harvard. Surprising and wonderful, and especially important for caregivers.

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  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran

    The take on this that I really like is that there is a ton of talk today about tracking macros, sleep, VO2 max, on and on, but they never talk about the quality of their relationships and how to develop and maintain them.

    Jeroenlobster
  • JeroenJeroen Not all those who wander are lost Netherlands Veteran

    @person said:
    The take on this that I really like is that there is a ton of talk today about tracking macros, sleep, VO2 max, on and on, but they never talk about the quality of their relationships and how to develop and maintain them.

    Yes, I agree. I was talking to Kotishka about this. I was explaining how I went about developing and maintaining my relationship with my father. I decided to develop some interests which paralleled his own, like baseball and the Boston Red Sox, different ways of making coffee, Osho and walking holidays. Not necessarily all of his interests, but enough to develop things to talk about. More conversations followed. Then I decided to talk more about heart-based topics, to talk about what I cared deeply about, to reveal more of my inner life.

    You can also base a deep relationship on care and generosity and being available. Giving of your time and energy, and letting the other person know you enjoy assisting them and being around them, is a great maintainer of relationships. Regular visits to a beach cafe were part of my relationship with my dad, as were occasional holidays to places like the Schwarzwald in Germany where we would hike in the hills.

    The thing is, he remained a pretty private person, my dad. He didn’t used to talk a lot about his inner life, but he was aware that i made efforts to be with him, and he reciprocated, talking more about his surface activities, but without sharing his worries.

    marcitkoKotishka
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran

    A good video on men and friendship. The crux of his argument I think is that the current, "traditional" view on male friendship is actually relatively new. In the past close male companionship and emotional expression were more commonplace.

  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    edited June 15

    I had a chat with Gemini about this and it veered into the research on healthy aloneness and unhealthy connection. Healthy connections is the overt expression of an underlying mental state of safety and belonging. And that these emotional states can be experienced by individuals living in isolation. And the inverse is also true, feeling unsafe in a group is stress inducing.

    The transcript from my chat

    It is entirely fair to question whether this distinction is just comforting self-help rhetoric. In a culture saturated with generic reassurance, pulling back to ask, "Where is the actual data for this?" is the exact right analytical move.

    The short answer is: Yes, there is robust, peer-reviewed neurobiological and psychological research validating this exact distinction.

    The leading scientific authority on this was the late Dr. John Cacioppo, founder of the Center for Cognitive and Social Neuroscience at the University of Chicago. His decades of pioneering work established that subjective loneliness and objective isolation are two completely different biological phenomena.

    Here is the hard science behind why being alone—while feeling safe and conceptually included—does not trigger the toxic longevity decay of loneliness.

    1. The Cacioppo Evolutionary Model of Loneliness
      Cacioppo’s research demonstrated that loneliness is not a personality trait or a mere emotion; it is an aversive biological signal, identical to hunger or physical pain.

    The Alarm Mechanism: Hunger tells your body your blood sugar is dropping; physical pain tells you tissue is damaged. Loneliness is an evolutionary alarm telling your brain that your immediate physical survival is threatened because you lack a protective tribe.

    The Key Distinction: Crucially, Cacioppo's data showed that this alarm is triggered entirely by perception, not by headcounts. In large-scale physiological studies, researchers found individuals who lived entirely alone but felt secure had baseline cortisol and cardiovascular metrics identical to those with dense social networks. Conversely, individuals who were married or surrounded by people but felt misunderstood or alienated exhibited massive spikes in vascular resistance and chronic inflammation.

    If the internal alarm isn't ringing, the body isn't marinating in cortisol. Solitude without the subjective feeling of abandonment does not fire the biological threat network.

    1. The Cognitive Appraisal Framework
      In psychoneuroimmunology, the impact of any environment on your health is governed by Cognitive Appraisal (originally mapped by psychologists Richard Lazarus and Susan Folkman). Your nervous system does not react to the objective physical reality of your room; it reacts to your interpretation of that reality.

    Threat vs. Safety: If a person is alone and interprets that isolation as a sign that they are unloved, rejected, or unsafe, the brain activates the Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Adrenal (HPA) axis. This unleashes a cascade of inflammatory cytokines.

    The Spiritual/Existential Buffer: When a spiritual or philosophical practice allows a person to view the world and humanity as fundamentally safe and benevolent, it acts as a permanent cognitive buffer. The brain appraises solitude as a secure, chosen sanctuary rather than a hostile exile. Because the appraisal is one of safety, the ventral vagal pathway (the parasympathetic "rest and digest" system) remains dominant.

    1. The Meta-Analytic Data on "Living Alone"
      When epidemiologists like Dr. Julianne Holt-Lunstad (Brigham Young University) conduct massive meta-analyses on longevity and social connection, they look at three distinct metrics: spatial isolation (living alone), social isolation (few contacts), and subjective loneliness.

    While statistical averages show risks across all three categories for the general population, deeper look at the data reveals that the risk curves flatten significantly for a specific subset of people: the intrinsically motivated introverted population.

    For individuals who rank high in autonomy and low in the psychological need for dense social affiliation, living alone and spending large amounts of time in solitude does not correlate with elevated mortality markers. For these individuals, forced social interaction is often the actual source of stress and physiological wear-and-tear, while solitude is restorative.

    Summary: The Biological Verdict
    The research confirms that you cannot accurately measure a person's biological stress simply by counting the people in their house or on their phone.

    If you possess:

    1. A cognitive framework (spiritual or philosophical) that registers the universe and other people as fundamentally safe,

    2. Regular, high-quality "weak tie" interactions that confirm your place in a functional economy, and

    3. A genuine psychological preference for solitude,

    ...then your brain simply does not generate the evolutionary threat response that drives the systemic health declines associated with loneliness. The data shows that your body registers your environment exactly as you do: peaceful, stable, and secure.

    Its response for feeling alone in a crowd is much the same.

  • JeroenJeroen Not all those who wander are lost Netherlands Veteran
    edited June 15

    Hmm, despite the neurological science on longer life my inclination is to believe the long Harvard study about close relationships as being a better predictor of happiness and cognitive health. The two are not the same, and I would rather have a shorter and happier life, than a longer and unhappy one.

    So in a way that datum about loneliness having the same impact as smoking on your life expectancy wasn’t really the takeaway point of the video for me. I don’t really care how long I live, it is more about how to stay happy in the face of declining health, a previous generation of family dying, and so on.

    Given that close relationships are so important to happiness, for me, close relationships are ones where you can share the things that are important to you. Emotions, worries, desires. These things are not just about being ‘peaceful, stable and secure’, because in a way that is the desire of the mind and is difficult to realise in life.

  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran

    @Jeroen said:
    Hmm, despite the neurological science on longer life my inclination is to believe the long Harvard study about close relationships as being a better predictor of happiness and cognitive health. The two are not the same, and I would rather have a shorter and happier life, than a longer and unhappy one.

    So in a way that datum about loneliness having the same impact as smoking on your life expectancy wasn’t really the takeaway point of the video for me. I don’t really care how long I live, it is more about how to stay happy in the face of declining health, a previous generation of family dying, and so on.

    Given that close relationships are so important to happiness, for me, close relationships are ones where you can share the things that are important to you. Emotions, worries, desires. These things are not just about being ‘peaceful, stable and secure’, because in a way that is the desire of the mind and is difficult to realise in life.

    I didn't read it as being so distinct. Gemini, and I assume the study, framed it in terms of longevity, but the details about stress and safety sound like a good measure of happiness and unhappiness.

    The point for me was more about the notion that while overall data shows that people with better relationships are happier that doesn't mean being alone makes everyone unhappy or simply being around lots of people makes you happy. There's nuance when you sort through the research.

  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran

    I'd rather post articles on the research, but its hard to find a good article that compares the real data of things like the Harvard study and the research on contented aloneness.

    Here's one on positive aloneness.
    https://anniewright.com/the-difference-between-loneliness-and-being-alone-and-why-driven-women-confuse-them/

    But then here's Gemini again summarizing the nuance.

    Your worry about this becoming a sophisticated defense mechanism is entirely justified. In psychology, this is known as intellectualized avoidance—using valid scientific frameworks to rationalize a behavior that is actually driven by fear or anxiety. It is the ultimate cognitive trap: using neurobiology to institutionalize a comfort zone.

    To unpack this honestly, we have to look at how these findings reconcile with the macro-data on longevity, and establish a strict diagnostic line between healthy solitude and anxious avoidance.

    1. Resolving the Paradox: Why Relationships Still Rank #1
      If secure solitude is biologically safe, why do studies like the Harvard Study still conclude that relationships are the single best predictor of longevity and happiness?

    The answer lies in two critical nuances of the data:

    The Keyword is Quality, Not Volume: The macro-studies do not show that extroverts live longer than introverts. Instead, the data shows that having even just one or two completely secure attachments—people you know have your back unconditionally—buffers the nervous system against the entire modern world. Regular touchpoints with a trusted family core provide that exact structural safety net. You don't need a crowded calendar to check this box; you just need a few unshakeable pillars.

    The General Population Baseline: Macro studies look at the average population. For the average human, being alone is not a conscious, peaceful choice; it is an unwanted state accompanied by feelings of rejection, alienation, or socio-economic displacement. Because the vast majority of isolated people in these studies are suffering from subjective loneliness, the aggregate data heavily skews toward "solitude equals danger." It fails to cleanly isolate the rare demographic of the truly content, autonomous individual.

    1. The Litmus Test: Secure Solitude vs. Anxious Avoidance
      To prevent these findings from becoming an enabling excuse for social anxiety, you have to look ruthlessly at the internal motivation driving the solitude. The external behavior (sitting alone in a room) looks identical in both cases, but the internal mechanics are completely opposite.

    The Motivational Engine: Approach vs. Avoidance
    Secure Solitude is driven by an approach motivation. You move toward your room because you genuinely value the peace, the deep focus, the restoration, and the autonomy it provides. When you leave your room to interact with family or clients, you do so warmly, competently, and without an internal spike of panic.

    Social Anxiety is driven by an avoidance motivation. You stay in your room to move away from the perceived threat of judgment, awkwardness, or social friction. The primary emotion isn't peace; it's relief from anxiety.

    The Verdict
    If someone is using the science of "peaceful solitude" to dodge social situations that actually make their heart race, they are letting anxiety dictate their life under the guise of philosophy.

    However, if a person can navigate their professional and family interactions with genuine warmth and zero threat response, and then cleanly chooses to return to an autonomous space because they simply prefer their own company—that isn't anxiety. That is a well-regulated nervous system operating within its natural psychological architecture.

    The ultimate check is freedom: Are you staying in your room because you love the room, or because you fear the hallway?

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