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....with 3 chapters a week it will take 1 month and a half to read 212 pages. Which already is a huge amount of time. 2 Chapters a week will take 2 months and 1 week.
I mean, cmon, 2 months to read 212 pages is absurd.
For me I don't mind taking a whole year to be honest, Ric. I am on a different framework as I have difficulty reading. It depends what people want to do and I will decide if I want to participate or not.
The chapters look to be around 10 to 15 pages each. Granted that I am only up for one chapter per week which would take us 4 or 5 months.
Got my copy of Turning the Wheel today and started reading! Enjoying the authors conversational writing style, is very accessible. Feels like good brain food :thumbsup:
I would suggest 2 chapters a week, and those who want to go ahead to take notes so when we get to those sections, we can go over those things that way no loses their momentum or train of thought.
Religion books, especially ones on Buddhism, can be very meaty like a textbook, so I'm not the fast and furious type of reader. I tend to lose information along the way when I read like that. Let's face it, we all can read an algebra book in a decent amount of time, but really how much to you retain afterwards?
I haven't got this book yet, so I cannot really comment on it's length or level of detail. hopefully, I can find a physical copy near me soon. I'm trying to wait on buying the book because I'm reading Great Expectations. I can be a bibliophile sometimes and I'll try to read both books, so I'm trying to limit my distractions while reading a classic. lol
I am not going to purchase the book until a time is set along with an expectation for how many pages or chapters we will read each week. Mainly I would purchase the book to participate in a discussion; I have other books/games I haven't read if purchasing just for something to do.
....with 3 chapters a week it will take 1 month and a half to read 212 pages. Which already is a huge amount of time. 2 Chapters a week will take 2 months and 1 week.
I mean, cmon, 2 months to read 212 pages is absurd.
So we're going to discuss in increments? If that's what people want, then let's try it. Are these short chapters, Ric, and TiaP, like the Batchelor book? I had no trouble reading a chapter/day, or more, of that book. If the chapters are short, we could do 4 chapters/week, that would take closer to a month to discuss. Jeffrey (and Bravehawk), if you don't buy the book, you won't be ready to go when the rest of us are. Unless your local bookstore has the book, and you don't have to wait for it to come in the mail. If you want to participate, please order the book.
Where are you at in your reading, Ric, TiaP, and Bucky? I'm going to try to catch up with you as soon as I get the book. If we're going to stick to the July 15 date, I'd expect that people would already have read at least a few chapters by that time, so that we can begin discussion on that date. The early birds can get us started, with their questions. So how about by July 15, a minimum of 4 chapters will have been read by everyone, hopefully more.
I don't have the book, I'm trying to find out from members who are already reading the book. Stay tuned. But you say you'd be getting the book to participate in a discussion. We can't have a discussion if some people are going to be behind. Anyway, let's see what the other members say.
Jeff, if you buy it already you could read at your own pace.
Ch 1: 8 pages, Ch 2:8 pages, Ch 3: 16 pages
So as you can see, Ch 3 is double the other 2 chapters. Ive started reading and I am in Chapter 4. But Ive been reading VERY slowly so that I dont get way too ahead. I read about 2-4 pages a day and Im underlining stuff so that I can refer back to what I found interesting and help create some discussion.
So how many pages a day do we want to be our schedule? Roughly I know its not exact. I just don't want to order the book if most the people are reading it too fast for me to participate.
I've read it a couple of time and am re-reading it (we're using it another study I'm in), but am not going to discuss ahead of whatever schedule's agreed to. I can't say I have a preference on how to schedule, only that if one is set all participants are willing. IOW, I'm ready to contribute when it is best for you all. Will continue to check this thread as the date approaches. :buck:
So far, we have: TiaP, Bucky, you, me, and waiting in the wings--Jeffrey and bravehawk. I think we can do about 3 chapters/week, minimum. That's 4-5 pgs/day. That should be do-able. At that rate, it'll take about 6 wks. Thanks for the feedback, Ric. So let's get going. I'll PM the others to see if anyone else wants in.
Vincenzi, The club is going to read Turning the Wheel and discuss on the forum. So far we haven't firmed up a timeline for the reading. That is we don't know when we are starting the book and finishing.
It was an idea to discuss every few chapters rather than at the end. So we have to decide when we are starting to read. And how many chapters per week.
Dividing 225 pages (or 230 to include the Note on Text) by 6 weeks is about 38 pages a week. Adjusting for chapter breaks yields: Wk 1: Note on Text, Intro. & Chs. 1-2, pp. ix-32 Wk 2: Chs. 3-5, pp. 33-76 Wk 3: Chs. 6-9, pp. 77-121 Wk 4: Chs. 10-12, pp. 123-160 Wk 5: Chs. 13-15, pp. 161-192 Wk 6: Chs. 16-18, pp. 193-226
@Jeffrey: that works for me too but @ Dakini, all: i just noticed Dakini proposed THE FIRST FOUR CHAPTERS BY 7/15...my bad... Dakin's proposal was on the 21st of June...that's almost a month to read 60 pages... :buck:
To clarify: We did indeed, set a time from for beginning discussion. July15, by which time I had said I'd expect people will have read a minimum of 4 chapters. I calculated about 4-5 pgs/day to cover 4 chapters/wk, depending on length of chapter, but we can adopt Bucky's' modified schedule.
Yeah, I said "let's get going" already a few weeks ago. Jeffrey must've missed the post about beginning discussion of the 1st 4 chapters July 15. My book should arrive any day, I can be ready July 15. I think Bucky's is a good schedule. Jeffrey, you could skip the intro and read ch. 1, 2 for the first discussion. You can still participate in the week 2 discussion if you're read ch. 3. We don't know how long the discussions will continue, so there will be some wiggle room probably, for slower readers.
Vincenzi, we're ordering the books online from Amazon.
Hey Dakini, all, You're welcome (for the math). I know I keep saying this, when I throw ideas out there it's in the interest of "keeping the ball rolling" but not because I want a particular schedule. On the one hand, I don't want to see people unable to participate because of a schedule and on the other hand we need some kind structure to prevent floundering.
Dakini has it pretty much figured out so as usual I defer to him and the Club. Peace :buck:
Bucky, et al., I've looked at the schedule more closely, and I see that it requires approx. 40 pgs/wk, which seems like a lot, even for me. Jeffrey is reading another book at the same time, for another group. So I'll post a compromise between his schedule and Bucky's. Most of you are way ahead, anyway.
Vincenzi, you can think about a title you'd like to suggest for next time. We expect to be done with this book and discussion in August sometime.
Bucky, et al., I've looked at the schedule more closely, and I see that it requires approx. 40 pgs/wk, which seems like a lot, even for me.
You could cut it in half for approximately 20 pages a week; or cut THAT in half for 10 a week. Jeffrey's schedule is basically the one I threw out there halfed. I'm personally happy with 1 page a week or 100 a week. Is there a number of pages a week you all think would be the most inclusive? :buck:
I have received the book in the mail and have started reading it. I would read 10 pages or 20 pages. It will give us enough to talk about for the week whereas 40 would be a lot to keep up with might feel like labor haha.
Thanks Jeffrey. By most inclusive I mean a figure that will prevent the more "reflective" readers from feeling overwhelmed and the more "rapid" readers from getting bored. :buck:
Do have the book yet, Jeffrey? I got it a little over a wk ago, and I'm through chap 4 now, in spite of having other books I'm reading as well. It goes easily.
Thanx for your patience, you early birds. I hope you have some good topics ready.
btw, I consider this lead-up to the 15th to be "week 1".
Yes I have the book I am caught up on my other book and through the intro in the one we are reading. Welcome back by the way haven't seen you on the forum recently. I formed the impression from the opening intro that the sutra would be quite stirring, buddhas first teaching.
Well, with a little luck, week we can cover wk 2, as well. I assume Jeffrey and I are the stragglers, and I can geet through chap. 5 in time, probably. We'll see how Jeffrey does, and play it by ear.
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Good idea.
I mean, cmon, 2 months to read 212 pages is absurd.
The chapters look to be around 10 to 15 pages each. Granted that I am only up for one chapter per week which would take us 4 or 5 months.
Religion books, especially ones on Buddhism, can be very meaty like a textbook, so I'm not the fast and furious type of reader. I tend to lose information along the way when I read like that. Let's face it, we all can read an algebra book in a decent amount of time, but really how much to you retain afterwards?
I haven't got this book yet, so I cannot really comment on it's length or level of detail. hopefully, I can find a physical copy near me soon. I'm trying to wait on buying the book because I'm reading Great Expectations. I can be a bibliophile sometimes and I'll try to read both books, so I'm trying to limit my distractions while reading a classic. lol
Where are you at in your reading, Ric, TiaP, and Bucky? I'm going to try to catch up with you as soon as I get the book. If we're going to stick to the July 15 date, I'd expect that people would already have read at least a few chapters by that time, so that we can begin discussion on that date. The early birds can get us started, with their questions. So how about by July 15, a minimum of 4 chapters will have been read by everyone, hopefully more.
Exactly. I don't think I can handle 4 chapters a week. Unless they are 3 page chapters?
Ch 1: 8 pages, Ch 2:8 pages, Ch 3: 16 pages
So as you can see, Ch 3 is double the other 2 chapters. Ive started reading and I am in Chapter 4. But Ive been reading VERY slowly so that I dont get way too ahead. I read about 2-4 pages a day and Im underlining stuff so that I can refer back to what I found interesting and help create some discussion.
As far as I can see from this thread it is Bucky, Dakini, and I.
and bravehawk ?
It was an idea to discuss every few chapters rather than at the end. So we have to decide when we are starting to read. And how many chapters per week.
Do you want to join us Vincenzi?
you mean this sutra:
Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta: Setting the Wheel of Dhamma in Motion
?
nope thats not it, http://www.amazon.com/Turning-Wheel-Truth-Commentary-Teaching/dp/159030764X
Turning the wheel of truth. Its not a sutta, its a commentary on the first teaching.
Wk 1: Note on Text, Intro. & Chs. 1-2, pp. ix-32
Wk 2: Chs. 3-5, pp. 33-76
Wk 3: Chs. 6-9, pp. 77-121
Wk 4: Chs. 10-12, pp. 123-160
Wk 5: Chs. 13-15, pp. 161-192
Wk 6: Chs. 16-18, pp. 193-226
Wudya think? :buck:
Wk1: Intro, 1
2: 2,3
3:4
4:5,6
5:7,8
6:9,10
7:11,12
8:13,14
9:15,16
10:17,18
If you guys want to read more you could read another book at the same time. This would make the discussion accessible to less voracious readers.
@ Dakini, all: i just noticed Dakini proposed THE FIRST FOUR CHAPTERS BY 7/15...my bad...
Dakin's proposal was on the 21st of June...that's almost a month to read 60 pages...
:buck:
no thanks, I don't have the book.
To clarify: We did indeed, set a time from for beginning discussion. July15, by which time I had said I'd expect people will have read a minimum of 4 chapters. I calculated about 4-5 pgs/day to cover 4 chapters/wk, depending on length of chapter, but we can adopt Bucky's' modified schedule.
Yeah, I said "let's get going" already a few weeks ago. Jeffrey must've missed the post about beginning discussion of the 1st 4 chapters July 15. My book should arrive any day, I can be ready July 15. I think Bucky's is a good schedule. Jeffrey, you could skip the intro and read ch. 1, 2 for the first discussion. You can still participate in the week 2 discussion if you're read ch. 3. We don't know how long the discussions will continue, so there will be some wiggle room probably, for slower readers.
Vincenzi, we're ordering the books online from Amazon.
You're welcome (for the math). I know I keep saying this, when I throw ideas out there it's in the interest of "keeping the ball rolling" but not because I want a particular schedule. On the one hand, I don't want to see people unable to participate because of a schedule and on the other hand we need some kind structure to prevent floundering.
Dakini has it pretty much figured out so as usual I defer to him and the Club.
Peace :buck:
Vincenzi, you can think about a title you'd like to suggest for next time. We expect to be done with this book and discussion in August sometime.
I ordered the book and will try to catch up.
I don't know any good books about Buddhism... I focused on reading some sutras.
wk 1: Intro, chapters 1-3
wk 2: Chap. 4-5 27 pgs
wk 3: Chap 6-7 21 pgs
wk 4: 8-9 21 pgs
wk. 5: `10-11 26 pgs
wk 6: 12-13 19 pgs
wk 7: 14-15 21pgs
wk 8: 16-18 32 pgs
Do have the book yet, Jeffrey? I got it a little over a wk ago, and I'm through chap 4 now, in spite of having other books I'm reading as well. It goes easily.
Thanx for your patience, you early birds. I hope you have some good topics ready.
btw, I consider this lead-up to the 15th to be "week 1".