The Dark Side of Mindfulness
It's all dark until one finds the light switch 
Shoshin1
There is something extraordinary in the ordinary - attribution unknown
Closest was Mark Haddon - "Find the extraordinary inside the ordinary."
I was revisiting this thread, and just watched The Last Ship again, to see why it resonated so clearly with me, besides Sting’s wonderful music of course. There is something majestic about those huge steel ships rising above the shipyards on the Clyde, and it’s tales of doughty foremen and musical welders… real salt o the earth kinds of people.
It reminds me of my mothers stories of her childhood and growing up with a father who worked in the fish hall, filleting fish for my grandfathers company and making deals with the fishermen for their catch and bringing the fish in boxes on ice to restaurants in nearby towns. So many stories about that time. But people who were not very different from the shipyard crews that Sting sings about.
Sting says in the intro to the film I linked that before his foray into musical theatre he was unaware to what extent each song, each line in the work would be scrutinised, and he thanks his wonderful collaborators. It’s excellent that so much of the songs is in dialect, with accents of the region.
There are other mythological works, not the least of which is The Lord of the Rings. We just recently watched the Extended Editions of the films again, they are a wonderful telling of the story and here too language is important, in the songs, the history of the races, the scripts they used.
Jeroen
With the massive overload of information and so many info pits (rabbit holes), the youth have both more personal access to more data than previously thought possible. This gives the youth more opportunities and, at the same time, more danger of being misdirected and sucked down multiple rabbit holes. It is our duty, as the "elders" to mentor the youth, guiding, not manipulating them, in a clear eyed, clear minded open path to their opportunity, growth, and eventual leadership and mutual fellowship of compassion, empathy, and the freedom of honest self discipline and clear direction.
Commendations to Lobster and all the others stepping up to this take on this task, each in his/her/their own way.
peace to all
@person said:
That second post is pretty intriguing. I can very much understand not wanting to go into details and don't think you should.I wonder how connected the two are, looking for acceptance and your father's story. What I'm hearing is largely a lack of internal confidence. Have you looked into the work on self compassion? A lot of it is how to be kind and accepting to oneself even if you don't feel like you're the greatest. It helps learn how to treat yourself as a friend rather than turning the critic on yourself.
I'm always looking for acceptance, the book about my father's story is just something I learned recently about (I already knew about another book written about him). Without going into actual details, if you can believe it, my wife's father is also someone infamous with several books written about him and we had no idea when we've met, so we could say that winning the lottery is less likely than the two of us ending up together in such a small country. But to answer your question naturally, growing up with an absent or abusive father would shape anyone's inner critic and it certainly gives one something to work with in case they wish to silence it and find peace. I think of the inner child sometime, I read books that emphasize how important it is to be kind and accepting to oneself, but it's one thing to acknowledge that and another to feel it, especially when you spiral and feeling hurt blinds you. I am still searching for various ways to just let go of the emotional need of always saying what I want to and be valued for what I say, I'm sure in time I'll get there, but it doesn't hurt if I find some real eye-opener to read. 
RobinH
I’ve had similar reactions to the way some Buddhist texts talk about Hell, especially when the language is very absolute or very dramatic. What’s helped me over the years is shifting the frame from “places we go after death” to “realms we move through moment by moment.”
In the older Buddhist cosmology, the hell realms aren’t just locations — they’re descriptions of what the mind feels like when it’s overwhelmed by certain patterns. Anyone who has been caught in rage, shame, or self‑loathing already knows what a hell realm feels like. It’s not somewhere you go, it’s a state you enter, often many times a day, depending on where the mind lands.
From that perspective, the warnings in texts like The Way of the Bodhisattva stop sounding like threats and start sounding like psychological descriptions. “Falling into Hell” becomes “falling into a mental state where suffering becomes intense and self‑reinforcing.” And “walking the Dharma path” becomes “learning how to recognize those states early, soften them, and step out of them before they harden.”
For me, that makes the whole thing much more workable. Instead of imagining some cosmic judge sending people to eternal torment, I can look at my own experience: how anger creates a world where everything feels hostile, how fear creates a world where everything feels dangerous, how craving creates a world where nothing is ever enough. These are realms too — and they shift as quickly as attention shifts.
So when I read strict passages now, I take them as reminders of how dramatically the mind can change the world we seem to inhabit. Not as predictions about the afterlife, but as descriptions of the landscapes we walk through every day.
Yes, I heard about Hugging Face, and that they were basically bought out by NVidia to dissuade them from a lawsuit against the makers of the AI agents involved, which would have forced a legal opinion on whether companies creating AI agents are liable for the harm these agents might do.
Jeroen
“A single candle cannot remove all the darkness in the world,” he said, “but it can still brighten the room around it.”
...And shed light so other might see
Shoshin1
Manifest, I think, is used as bringing forth or onto perceived reality that which is already within. To reach beyond the veil, beneath the the pool of darkness to bring forth or to "MANIFEST" the true self - the selfless self, the self which is not the self and the not self which is the self as one in the same.
In the Western culture in particular, we are brought up aware that we are separate, unique, apart. Yes, we have family, community bindings, but still unique.
We are each unique, true. But we are also we are interconnected, we are a part of this world, this universe and is within each and all of us. We have separate, individual conciseness, yet we share consciousness.
This manifesting is not through the conscious mind as we know or perceive it, but through the emergence of the Greater Mind, so to speak. Call it what you will.
It is what we may call the bringing forth, the Emergence (Manifestation) of the Buddha state, the awakening, the "Emerging from the fog into the bright sunlight."
That is, naturally, merely my way of putting it, incomplete as it is, but, here we are.
Peace to all
The realm or worlds are separated for purpose of description.
They are not, in reality separate domains.
They are conditions within which one passes often from moment to moment.
All are within each all the others.
One in the Deva Realm has not divested of the other realms, but the dominant realm remains the Deva Realm.
One who is currently within the Animal Realm may pass, in an instant, into the Human Realm or even the Deva Realm while still within the Animal Realm.
An example drawn from a movie quote (I do not remember the movie title):
While in prison, place considered to the physical manifestation of either the Hell Realm or the Animal Realm, the main character states, "...I have never been freer than I am now.", showing himself to be in the Human or even the Deva Realm while within what can be considered a Hell Realm.
Again, Whether described as The Ten Worlds or as The Six Realms, these worlds or realms are not separate worlds or realms, but life conditions, possessed by each and all of us. And, each world or realm is contains within it all the other life conditions (worlds or realms) which may/will arise depending upon internal and external circumstances.
Peace to all