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Re: Wim Hof - Feel the Cold and do it Anyway
Isn't any form of outspoken extreme personality a bit crazy? Maybe he has a condition nobody has yet diagnosed or revealed... sometimes what we read, is not all we can know, and all we sew might be tempered to attract bigger audiences. Trend-setters, and those who tread unchartered territories are always subject to scrutiny. And humanity loves nothing better to build someone a pedestal, only to then take delight in knocking them off it...
federica
Re: What documentary are you watching?
I’m not in need of a deprogrammer, but thanks for thinking of me. From all the hours of discourses I’ve listened to, I have a pretty sound idea of who Bhagwan was, and he wasn’t a pedophile. And yes, a lot of the crimes on the Ranch did originate with Sheela and her gang of cronies. A lot of the worst abuse stories seem to originate from the English commune Medina, far away from the Ranch.
As far as the current commune leadership is concerned, I don’t really know that much about them, although I have heard they are not impeccable in their conduct, mostly around financial matters.
I was just reading this…
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/12/abuse-rajneesh-cult-children-communes
Jeroen
Re: Ten years of wisdom
@Jeroen said:
So it put me in mind of who I was ten years ago, before I studied Buddhism, Nisargadatta, Poonjaji, and all the rest. In a way I don’t think I was that different, more impatient certainly.
I have been a little more engaged in retrospection, and maybe I have changed more than I thought. There are many things I have let go of, like playing games, watching television series, reading endless numbers of science fiction novels, watching the news… the way I spend my time is very different now.
Lately I have even been letting go of food, first of all by listening to my body and skipping meals when I am actually not hungry. I’ve also simplified my eating patterns, relying on fruit and nuts and raw veg to keep it healthy enough to really sustain me, without being locked into “three meals a day”.
But as far as a culmination to the Ten Years of Wisdom is concerned, I’m reading fewer books of wisdom now, keeping my own counsel more, being less caught up in enthusiasms. I’m writing a few more pieces, and while I’m writing I am observing my thoughts. It’s writing as an exercise in witnessing. And occasionally I do nothing at all.
“Sitting silently, doing nothing, the spring comes and the grass grows by itself.”
— Zen saying
Jeroen
Re: Wim Hof - Feel the Cold and do it Anyway
A different/contrary view on the allegations: Laura Hof, Wim's daughter, shared as a google doc in the official Wim Hof Facebook group.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GI4Bbk9lpOV8h9UxUa0qUgPRl5qL26S7ML-NtkFETY4/edit?usp=drivesdk
marcitko
Re: What documentary are you watching?
I had heard about the Liberty attack, but never in such detail... until now...
All I can say is wow..
Sacrificing Liberty
The true story of the USS. Liberty is more shocking than any spy novel written by Tom Clancy. The most top-secret spy ship in the world. Its client was the NSA. The ship and its 294 U.S. Navy sailors were rushed to the Mediterranean Sea. Only the White House and Pentagon knew that Israel was ready to attack Arab nations. The USS. Liberty was deliberately sent into a kill zone. The casualties were staggering: 34 killed and 174 wounded. The coverup began immediately and has continued since 1967. Until now! The aging survivors have finally told their true story. Sacrificing Liberty sets the record straight.
The truth told for the first time about Israel’s massacre of U.S.S. Liberty crewmen.
Lost video footage seen for the first time in decades.
Shocking first-time eye-witness testimony from the men who survived on June 8, 1967.
Gut-wrenching descriptions of the carnage unleashed by Israeli gunboats, warplanes, and submarines.
Connecting the dots that link LBJ to a failed false flag operation to start a war with Egypt.
Heart-breaking descriptions of human body recovery.
Uncensored U.S.S. Liberty crewmen telling their true stories for the first time in 53 years.
The role of Senator John McCain’s father in the government coverup.
The uncovering of LBJ’s Mossad mistress in the White House.
The fuse that lit the fire of war in the Middle East that is still burning today.
How brave American men prevented a nuclear war by refusing to die on June 8, 1967.
However the last part which (I'm now watching) starts to sound a bit conspiracy theoryish, which I feel spoils it a bit...
Shoshin1
What documentary are you watching?
WARNING GRAPHIC SCENES
The War You Don't See: Secrets and Lies in the Mainstream Media (2010)
The War You Don't See is a powerful and timely investigation into the media's role in war, tracing the history of embedded; and independent reporting from the carnage of World War One to the destruction of Hiroshima, and from the invasion of Vietnam to the current war in Afghanistan and disaster in Iraq.
As weapons and propaganda become even more sophisticated, the nature of war is developing into an electronic battlefield in which journalists play a key role, and civilians are the victims.
But who is the real enemy?
"Never believe anything until it is officially denied"
~Francis Claud Cockburn~
What documentary have you been watching ?
Shoshin1
Re: What documentary are you watching?
Funny that you should post about this docu, @lobster, because I was going to as well. Some friends in the UK had alerted me after it was shown on ITV last night, and I have read about it in The Guardian because it is a film about my childhood. I was in some of those communes when I was a young teen, between the ages of 11 and 13, and while I wasn’t abused, my heart goes out to those who were and were there with me.
I’m pretty sure Osho knew nothing about it, he spoke out on a number of occasions against the child abuse scandals in the Catholic Church. It turns out he wasn’t far-sighted enough to see what kind of people would be attracted to a commune featuring ‘free sex’, or to take account of that when he said “all the adults together will take responsibility for raising the kids”.
My own experience was that there were some adults at the Ranch who were “too friendly”, I found it suspicious and steered clear of them. But I’ve heard from friends about others who were less smart or cautious, and got taken advantage of, boys as well as girls.
Jeroen
Re: What is a healthy mythology?
Are you aware of Joseph Campbell?
I believe he was the first to propose and document with examples across times and geography that all mythologies follow the same general pattern: what he called "the hero's journey".
From that perspective, it does not much matter if the mythology is Inuit, Mongolian, Roman Empire, Gaelic, Disney... it's all basically same-same in structure and overarching messages.
marcitko
Re: What is a healthy mythology?
A spiritual friend recommended the book "Jung and Frodo: 7 Paths of Individuation in Lord of the Rings". Since you're mentioning archetypes and quoted Celebrimbor in another thread, I suspect you might find the book interesting.
I mostly read it and found it fun and stimulating. It's a light read, maybe too light ie. too simplistic. But it touched on two of my interests, psychology and Tolkien, so I was glad to have stumbled upon it.
marcitko